Arnold's J.B. Allen bass

Discussion in 'Basses [DB]' started by Dr Rod, Dec 9, 2007.

  1. Dr Rod

    Dr Rod

    Aug 19, 2005
    Hey Arnold

    I have been salivating with the pictures of your JB Allen bass:

    http://aesbass.com/bassgallery.htm


    Would you mind sharing some info with the forum on it's measurements (it looks like a huge bass) and how it sounds?
     
  2. KSB - Ken Smith

    KSB - Ken Smith Inactive Commercial User

    Mar 1, 2002
    Perkasie, PA USA
    Owner: Ken Smith Basses, Ltd.
    Well, it is a Bass with some proud measurements. Some call it a 7/8ths and some a 4/4. The String length is only 41 3/4". The restoration done by Robbie McIntosh is just amazing.

    Sound? Floor shaking on the bottom, sweet on top. Better looking and sounding than most Prescotts I have seen. This is one of the best Basses ever made in 19th century USA all around.

    It must be played to be fully appreciated.
     
  3. Don Carrigan

    Don Carrigan Guest

    May 13, 2003
    Gloucester, MA
  4. Dr Rod

    Dr Rod

    Aug 19, 2005
    Thanks Ken, you wouldn't happen to know the maximum width of lower bout, would you? It looks so massive !

    Your comments on the sound are quite amazing, I think I would really enjoy playing it.
     
  5. Dr Rod

    Dr Rod

    Aug 19, 2005
    Thanks Don,

    is Palombi's bass a smaller frame from Arnold's?

    Your Prescott (5 string?) is pretty impressive too. Do you have the measurements?
     
  6. KSB - Ken Smith

    KSB - Ken Smith Inactive Commercial User

    Mar 1, 2002
    Perkasie, PA USA
    Owner: Ken Smith Basses, Ltd.
    No, I never measured it but similar if not bigger in width to my Prescott I would guess and that was 28.5" at the lower bout which was original. The upper and middle bouts were cut smaller early in its life on my former Bass.
     
  7. arnoldschnitzer

    arnoldschnitzer AES Fine Instruments

    Feb 16, 2002
    New Mexico. USA
    The Allen is a 4/4 bass if I've ever seen one. You can read an article on the bass in the ISB Bass World, Volume 27, #3. It was published Spring of 2004 and features Robert McIntosh explaining the bass' history and restoration.

    I should mention that I do not own the bass but I am marketing it on consignment for a client. Dr. Rod, I'll try to post some measurements for you soon. Ken's comments on tone were right on; I would add that the bass posseses an unusual "woody" quality as well as being deep, rich and clear.
     
  8. KSB - Ken Smith

    KSB - Ken Smith Inactive Commercial User

    Mar 1, 2002
    Perkasie, PA USA
    Owner: Ken Smith Basses, Ltd.
    Well, I agree in part. It IS after all made out of wood..lol

    Seriously though, playing the Bass as with any Bass you hear more wood than you do in a distance. The woody sound seems to dissipate in the distance. My Prescott was like that, so I thought. At a concert I was playing, one of the regular attendees came up to me as I was warming up and said he has never heard such a beautiful sounding Bass. "Woody" was not in his description.;)
     
  9. Pete G

    Pete G

    Dec 31, 2001
    Northern Virginia
    Beautiful looking bass.

    What type of tuners are those?
     
  10. Jeremy Allen

    Jeremy Allen Supporting Member

    Mar 18, 2002
    Bloomington, IN
    I too have been groaning over that bass ever since Arnold put it up there a couple of years ago, and I will be very sad when it gets a "Sold" sign under the picture.

    Actually, I'm pretty sure I'm related to J.B. Allen, and I'm also pretty sure that his ghost can find no rest until that particular bass is in the hands of a kinsman with the same initials, sold for the price he originally received for it. What do you say, Arnold?
    --Jeremy Bubba Allen
     
  11. Jake deVilliers

    Jake deVilliers Commercial User

    May 24, 2006
    Crescent Beach, BC
    Owner of The Bass Spa, String Repairman at Long & McQuade Vancouver
    Nice one J Allen! :)
     
  12. arnoldschnitzer

    arnoldschnitzer AES Fine Instruments

    Feb 16, 2002
    New Mexico. USA
    Handmade of steel and brass. Three are original (1841), a fourth was made to match by a very fine machinist. (The bass was built as a three-stringer.) There was no more room in the pegbox so he split the shaft which serves the A and D tuners. It's very beautifully done.
     
  13. David Oberg

    David Oberg Guest

    Aug 14, 2008
    Good Evening.

    I noticed some interest in a J.B. Allen bass via postings from last December. My 1841 J.B. Allen bass has the following dimensions:

    Body length of 47"
    Upper bout of 19 3/8"
    Middle bout of 15 3/8"
    Lower bout of 28 3/8"
    String length of 43"

    The back is two piece maple. The ribs and scroll are of matching maple. The tops is thirteen-piece (!!) spruce. The varnish is reddish-amber in color.

    To borrow from Mr. Schnitzer, this J.B. Allen possesses an unusual "woody" quality as well as being deep, rich and clear.

    Robert McIntosh has been kind enough to send me his article (published by ISB) about another J.B. Allen. If anyone has information about J.B. Allen, I would appreciate hearing from you.

    Regards,

    David Oberg
     
  14. Dr Rod

    Dr Rod

    Aug 19, 2005
    Thank you, this is most interesting. Would you care to post some pics?
     
  15. David Oberg

    David Oberg Guest

    Aug 14, 2008
    Dr Rod,

    Sadly, my ability at posting pics has been held in the balance and found wanting. If convenient, I'd happy to send them to a Thunder Bay e-mail address to your attention.

    Regards,

    D.
     
  16. Dr Rod

    Dr Rod

    Aug 19, 2005
    How very kind of you, David. Perhaps you could send them here: rojaslee at gmail dot com

    Best wishes

    Rod
     
  17. The basses are beautiful... Thank you so much for posting them. All I have to do is get my youngest through college and I'll be calling.... Ha (about 2 years)
     
  18. Uncletoad

    Uncletoad

    May 6, 2003
    Columbus Ohio
    Proprietor Fifth Avenue Fret Shop. Technical Editor Bass Gear Magazine
    if you send them to me I'll post them for you.

    Click on my name over there, check the dropdown list for my email address.


    BTW I played the AES JB Allen. Nice bass!
     
  19. Uncletoad

    Uncletoad

    May 6, 2003
    Columbus Ohio
    Proprietor Fifth Avenue Fret Shop. Technical Editor Bass Gear Magazine
    Pics are here:



    dobergbass1.jpg

    dobergbass2.jpg

    dobergbass3.jpg

    dobergbass4.jpg
     
  20. 61pollmann

    61pollmann Supporting Member

    Apr 30, 2005
    Wisconsin
    What kind of $$ is this going for? Are Allen basses in general worth more or less than Prescotts?