Ash vs. Alder: Seventies Jazz Pickup Position Basses

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Dr. Cheese, Jun 11, 2020.

  1. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis



    My Carvin SB5000 and my Fender American Geddy Lee Jazz are heavy ash and alder respectively. My Carvin has to be the most naturally scooped bass I have ever owned while the Geddy has much stronger mids than one might assume on a Jazz with Seventies position pickups. I recorded both videos with a Behringer Keyboard amp/mini PA with its graphic eq set on mid boost. The settings on the basses were meant to accentuate their tonal characteristics. The Carvin was in passive mode so preamp boost would not be a factor. The Carvin had both pickups on full with tone maxed. The Geddy had the bridge pickup soloed with the tone on maybe 10%. One more bit of info: the SB5000 is 10lbs even and the Geddy is around 8.5-9lbs.
     
  2. Mr_O'B

    Mr_O'B

    Feb 22, 2015
    The Geddy Lee mids were very present, and like you said, "Much stronger mids than one might assume on a jazz with 70s position pickup."

    The Carvin does sound naturally scooped, but in the best way! The weight and heavy ash provide a lot of bottom!

    Before someone says it "one bass isn't better than the other"! Love the contrast between two awesome basses! :drool::bassist::drool:
     
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  3. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    Yes, the Carvin has Rap video level booty while the Geddy has mids that work great in Rock (surprise) and can get a more Jerry Jemmott with King Curtis or Voices of Harlem tone. Despite the mids, the Geddy still offers a nice version Seventies slap tone too.
     
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  4. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    Life is funny. I am so happy to have my Geddy because it is the Seventies Fender Jazz I have wanted since the Seventies, but my Carvin SB5000 has the most perfect Seventies style active Jazz Bass tone I have ever heard, bar none.
     
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  5. AngelCrusher

    AngelCrusher

    Sep 12, 2004
    Mesa Boogie, Tech 21, Taylor
    Agree. The Carvin slap tone is top notch.
     
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  6. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    I am working on getting a handle on “I’ve Been Working,” a great song from a Luther Vandross’ first album with Marcus Miller on bass, of course. This early Marcus was passive, and the Geddy sounds pretty close, but not exactly like Miller’s ash bodied bass. This is a rough first attempt with a lot of mistakes.
     
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  7. Ace Of Bass

    Ace Of Bass A Rooster Illusion

    Jun 27, 2006
    DMV
    Sounds good..! I just watched a review on the SB5000...that’s a NICE bass...
     
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  8. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    It took me a year to look past the body shape and size, but when I did, it clicked with me that is the perfect active J-style bass for me.
     
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  9. Ace Of Bass

    Ace Of Bass A Rooster Illusion

    Jun 27, 2006
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    It works too, man, and so does the tone...it sounds closer to a passive ash 70s than I would have guessed, and that’s a good thing...I personally favor Marcus’ tone on the old Luther stuff...o think the preamp made his sound too harsh at times...
     
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  10. Nice playing ! I preferred the Carvin’s more P-ish tone but, clearly, the two videos are not easily comparable as the basses were played with different settings ... :thumbsup:
     
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  11. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    The fairly heavy ash makes the SB5000 naturally scooped, so it creates the Marcus Miller tone with or without a preamp. The preamp is pretty transparent, so it bass and treble are kept flat, it sounds the same active or passive except it is louder. My American Geddy certainly gets the Seventies Jazz tone, but that alder just has a less scooped character.
     
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