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Ashdown combo with extension cab?

Discussion in 'Live Sound [BG]' started by baddarryl, Jul 31, 2009.

  1. Jul 31, 2009 #1
    baddarryl

    baddarryl

    Oct 26, 2008
    Cape Fear!
    Hi All, I have an Ashdown Mag300 2x10 combo that I use at church. We play contemporary Christian with a harder rock edge than many. I get a good tone from it that I like. I also have a home built ported 1x15 cab with a Celestion in it that really rounds out the tone for me. The combo by itself is good for this application, but I was wondering who it would benefit the most if I were to hook the 1x15 to it? My onstage tone would benefit, but since I DI to the PA would it make as much difference in the crowd? It is a small enough place that it would be total overkill, but the tone is so much rounder even at low volumes I am tempted. I guess the real question is how much of the difference in tone would transfer through the DI? Sorry, don't have much knowledge on that. Thanks.

    Also thinking of replacing the whole setup to a VTBass > DI so there....yes Delores, I am schizo! :bassist:
     
  2. Aug 1, 2009 #2
    Subs

    Subs

    Jul 20, 2009
    as far as I know, the only real change in tone would be in the way you set your eq to suit the fuller sounding 15". I may be wrong but I can't see any other way your DI tone would change. In smaller places I would just be tempted to crank the amp and let the PA do everyone else...
     
  3. Aug 1, 2009 #3
    baddarryl

    baddarryl

    Oct 26, 2008
    Cape Fear!
    So in other words the tone coming from the head via xlr is actually independent of that which comes from the cabs? Not independent, but unaffected by the cabs?
     
  4. Aug 1, 2009 #4
    baddarryl

    baddarryl

    Oct 26, 2008
    Cape Fear!
    Or better yet the same signal being sent to the xlr is the same as to the speakers right?
     
  5. Aug 2, 2009 #5
    Subs

    Subs

    Jul 20, 2009
    correct, the only difference will be how the speakers "colour" your sound, its an identicle signal. You'll have noticed how your 10" and 15" speakers sound different, They won't make much diffenence to the crowd if you D.I. through the P.A. unless you set your eq differently or turn up your amp so they can hear it without a P.A..
    Hope that helps...
     
  6. Aug 2, 2009 #6
    baddarryl

    baddarryl

    Oct 26, 2008
    Cape Fear!
    So the best way to get the sound that is on the stage is to mic the cabs. If I have 2x10 on top and 1x15 on bottom, where is the best placement of the mic to get the sound of both and how far from the cabs? Thanks.
     
  7. Aug 3, 2009 #7
    Subs

    Subs

    Jul 20, 2009
    basicly.
    micing up a bass is complicated, idealy you would mic each differant size of speaker, quite close to the cab (a couple of inches usualy, often less due to feedback). I don't have a lot of experiance with this so I couldn't tell you whats best for what your thinking of. I'll try tho...
    What kind of mic(s) do you have available to you?
    How big are the venues you would be doing this at and how are the acoustics (how well sound carries, echo, ect...)? I know you said a church but where I live, church's come in all sorts of shapes and sizes....
    What sort of PA would you be using ( size, componants, ect...)?
    I know about you rig, I use a similar ashdown set up myself.

    tbh, most sound people would rather you d.i. because its easier, creates less problems and gives them more control over the sound. But, when done right, mics sound better...