At wits end - please help

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Matthew West, Sep 17, 2001.

  1. Matthew West

    Matthew West Guest

    Sep 7, 2000
    Richmond, VA
    I've been trying to find a new bass in the price range of around $1000 or less ( I can go higher, but would rather not), but I'm having a hard time finding anything I like. Maybe someone here can help point me somewhere I hadn't thought about. Here'e what I'm looking for:

    1. 24 fret neck. I've been playing one for the last ten years, and going to a 21 or 22 fret neck at this point would feel very strange. Most Fender style bass necks feel too short and stumpy to me for this reason.

    2. Silver or black hardware. I think gold harware is ugly. Nothing against anyone who likes it. I just don't like gold in general.

    3. Paint finishes, or the ability to get a dark black stain. I don't want a wood grained bass. Again, just my personal preference, but I think wood grain is ugly.

    4. Four strings only.

    5. Passive electronics. I just don't like active electronics. Again, that's just me.

    6. It has to look cool. Cool like a Ric or Thunderbird or Ripper. You get the idea.

    7. No Peavey, Carvin, or Ibanez. I'm biased. So sue me. I'm sure they all make very nice instruments, but I just can't see myself getting on stage with one of these things.

    The only thing I've found so far that seems to match up with what I'm looking for (besides my current bass, which I love) is the Warwick Streamer Standard. I plan on playing one of these when I can find one near me, but everything I read here seems to imply that it is not a well made instrument.

    And FWIW, I play with a pick, and do not play slap bass.

    Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
  2. Si-bob


    Jun 30, 2001
    High Wycombe, UK
    Cranborne Audio
    Try looking at a Jackson, they make some nice basses, or perhaps a spector, they just released a 'Pantera' signature model, and while there not my kinda band, its actually a really nice lloking bass

    this is only off the top of my head, hope it helps
  3. RAM

    RAM Guest

    May 10, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I can't think of any basses that meet all those descriptions. But, I've got to question the fact that you won't consider active electronics because they're too bright sounding and don't have enough mids.

    There are many preamps that have mid controls, and if the preamp is active, that means you can actually BOOST mids, sometimes semi-parametrically or even parametrically! Plus, if a bass is too bright, why don't you just turn the treble down?:confused:
  4. You're right - you don't want a Carvin. The reason I got mine is precisely because I needed a bass with "modern sound" you are trying to avoid.

    My advice it is to get a pen, a blank piece of paper, some imagination, and start putting your custom together. A bass with few, if any, frills, can come in for around a grand from Dave Pushic and some other luthiers.

    Once you have your basic design/spec's put together, you could shop it out bids at . That's how I started when I couldn't find a versatile bass with a mean low end for less than a good used car.
  5. Matthew West

    Matthew West Guest

    Sep 7, 2000
    Richmond, VA
    Basically, I don't want to deal with active electronics. I'm very easy to please when it comes to tone shaping options, and having three tone knobs would bother me to no end. Just give me one tone knob, and I'm happy. I guess I should edit the original post.

    Thanks for the info though. All the active stuff I've ever played has been two band. What you say might be more useful, but still to complex.
  6. Don't like woodgrain or active:eek:
    You think thunderbirds look cool:eek:
    Me and Warick Thumb bass are going to cry:(
  7. Matthew West

    Matthew West Guest

    Sep 7, 2000
    Richmond, VA
    I could see myself playing a Streamer Standard in the Nirvana Black finish. Now if I could only find one around here...

    Seriously though, I played a Corvette week before last, and I really liked the way that it played. I thought the neck was really nice, and very comfortable. I think the Thumb plays very well also, I just don't like the way it or the Corvette look. Thing is, there's only one Warwick dealer in town, and all he has is the Corvette and a Streamer five string.
  8. I'd imagine that this is the best way to go. $550 for passive 4 string, plus other stuff. Some nice passive pups(Basslines?), decent bridge and tuners wouldn't rake up more than $450. He doesn't want any fancy woods for tops, just slab the finish over the alder or swamp ash or whatever body. I'd go good, I'd go great, I'd go Dave Pushic Custom.

  9. Matthew West

    Matthew West Guest

    Sep 7, 2000
    Richmond, VA
    I checked out the Dave Pushic site. He doesn't do paint finishes or any stains that detract from the wood grain.

    Why is it that except for Lakland and one or two others, all higher end bass companies refuse to do any finishes besides transparent stains. I was looking at Spector too, but all of their good basses have gold hardware and stain finishes. Is it too much to ask for a nice black bass?
  10. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR
    Wow...tough criteria. I'd just say go with a Ripper. Or that Warwick in know, actually, a black warwick would look pretty cool...

    And yeah, I share the lament: Why can't you paint a nice bass? Is that like a crime in some Luthier Handbook? "Thout shalt not paint thy bass a solid color"

    But, hey, I'm lucky, I'm hip on wood grains!
  11. Well, most luthiers are tone freaks. The painting apparently chokes the tone, and is therefore a big non-no.

    What I don't get is that people love vintage Fenders, and these things are choked to hell.
  12. Christopher


    Apr 28, 2000
    New York, NY
    MTD Kingston 4. Styling is pretty conservative, except for the goofy-ass pickguard. Not quite a Ric or Ripper.

    Didn't Warwick make some outlandish model called the "Flashback" with lipstick pickups and pearloid pickguard? Discontinued, I think, unless you can find a blowout.
  13. Matthew West

    Matthew West Guest

    Sep 7, 2000
    Richmond, VA
    That Kingston actually looks like it might fit the bill. I'll have to try one of those. I imagine I could get Mr. Tobias to sell me a solid black pickguard.
  14. David-Adler

    David-Adler Guest

    Feb 28, 2001
    Bonn, Germany

    Dave Pushic will do a Black Stain for you, I asked him about that some time ago.

  15. The same reason chefs don't cook at McDonald's. :D
  16. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Supporting Member

    I don't know what year you are talking about when you say vintage, but nitrocellulose finishes don't choke the tone near as much as hard polyester finishes do.
  17. I always thought that old Fenders had massive amounts of it slabbed on. Ah well.
  18. The legendary tone of old Fenders doesn't have to do with the nitrocellulose, per se, from what I've read. It is actually due to the breaking up of the nitro over time that lets the tone blossom a bit more.

    I'm no scientist, I don't know. Mine's finish is intact. :D But those old pickups really mellow.
  19. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR

    It's just as well...Daves gonna do a dark blue stain on my bass, which I think will look pretty tasty with the black hardware and the (Flamed or quilted) maple...
  20. Uhh for a grand, why not just get a black Ric??? or do they only have 21 frets? I just never noticed.. I don't play all the way up there often anyway :) Crazy kids and their guitars these days :D