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Avatar B210 Neo Vs SB112 Neo

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by mremic01, Oct 30, 2010.


  1. mremic01

    mremic01

    Nov 29, 2008
    Madison, WI
    I've already got a B210 Neo and I've been considering getting an SB112 to complement it. From what I've read, a matching 210 would be the best bet, but I've found that my 210 is a little much for apartment practice. By the time my LMIII starts to open up tonally, it's shaking the walls. I used to have a Roland Cube with a 12'' speaker that got a little loud, but was much more reasonable for practicing at home. I'd like to get the 112 and not another practice amp though, so I could stack it with my current cab if needed. How would the SB112 compare to the B210 volume-wise? Do you think they'd be similar to each other (way too loud), or would I be able to let the amp shine with less air being pushed?
     
  2. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    The 12 may sound a little deeper and not quite as loud but if you're playing in an apartment it'll still shake the place. Sitting it up on a chair or table may help a little but you'd still have to keep the volume down or pick up a little practice amp used for cheap just to play at home.
     
  3. shoot-r

    shoot-r

    May 26, 2007
    Illinois



    Your 2x10's cone surface area is approx. 110".
    A 1x12 would be 80".
    If all things are equal, cab size, porting, ect., the 2x10 should be "slightly" louder than a 1x12.
    I agree with will33, a 1x12 will probably not be much quieter
    Does the LMIII have a head phones out?
     
  4. sleepytime

    sleepytime

    Nov 10, 2007
    Chicago, IL
    I'd like to give you partial credit, but you didn't show your math.
     
  5. Malachi71

    Malachi71

    Oct 11, 2007
    I have a neo B210 and a neo SB112. The 1x12 is a little quieter than the 2x10 but they do complement one another. I use a Carvin DCM1000 power amp and two Sansamp RPM preamps. I biamp this system so if I need the 1x12 to be a little louder, I just turn up the gain. It's quite a rig. I have the gain turned up about 25% of full volume and the room shakes. Way too loud for my house.:bassist:
     
  6. shoot-r

    shoot-r

    May 26, 2007
    Illinois
    You'll have to take it up with Bass Player magazine...
    That's were the numbers came from...
    Note in my post...Approx.= approximate...from Webster's N.W., 1...much like, resembling 2... more or less correct or exact...come near to.
     
  7. sleepytime

    sleepytime

    Nov 10, 2007
    Chicago, IL
    They must be subtracting the area of the dustcaps.
     
  8. 4Mal

    4Mal Supporting Member

    Jun 2, 2002
    Columbia River Gorge
    I ran that setup for a while. I ended up selling the 2-10 and keeping the 12 much longer. The 2-10 is pretty scooped in comparison to the 12 and tonally I dug the 12 more. I looked for ages for another SB112 and finally gave up in favor of DIY cabs. I only sold the SB112 off when I went fEarful.

    Before the Avatar 'short stack' I ran a Schroeder 21012L. that was a heck of a nice cab. The avatar got me real close to the same thing - which I thought was pretty cool given the price differential and the modularity - an advantage for me ...
     
  9. Malachi71

    Malachi71

    Oct 11, 2007
    Interesting...to my ears the 2x10 accentuates a little more of the mids and high mids...more growl, whereas the 1x12 lows and low mids...more round. Perhaps it's the preamps I'm using and how I have it eq'd. Regardless, it's a fine little stack!
     
  10. 4Mal

    4Mal Supporting Member

    Jun 2, 2002
    Columbia River Gorge
    EQ - that might be the culprit there. Side by side, the 2x10 is voiced deeper than the 1x12. I ran mine with a variety of heads. Eden, GK, ART Tube Channel driving a PLX 2402 - with mostly neutral EQ settings.

    IMO - the SB-112 is real bargain. By far the best thing in it's price range and maybe up to 2x that ... If I hadn't caught the fEarful bug, I'd probably be running pair of them.
     
  11. shoot-r

    shoot-r

    May 26, 2007
    Illinois
    The numbers were from a old Bass Gear magazine put out by Bass Player magazine.
    In the Tech Tips section.
    I've always thought of it as a good rule of thumb, not as something accurate down to the last decimal point. I've always liked the way their chart showed the progression of how speaker size could add to your air movement capabilities.
    Their numbers are:
    (Cone surface area...approx.)
    1x8...........35 sq. in.
    1x10.........55 sq. in.
    2x8...........70 sq. in.
    1x12.........80 sq. in.
    2x10.........110 sq. in.
    1x15.........130 sq. in.
    4x8...........140 sq. in.
    2x12.........160 sq. in.
    3x10.........165 sq. in.
    1x18.........185 sq. in.
    4x10.........220 sq. in.
    2x15.........260 sq. in.
    4x12.........320 sq. in.
    6x10.........330 sq. in.
    2x18.........370 sq. in.
    8x10.........440 sq. in.
     
  12. Malachi71

    Malachi71

    Oct 11, 2007
    Well you got me thinking! I may experiment with this and try running the mids to high mids to the 1x12 and lows to low mids to the 2x10. Maybe I'm fighting some pretty good tones!
     
  13. thudfromafar

    thudfromafar Supporting Member

    Dec 12, 2007
    Chicago
    I wouldn't do that, just run it full range. I did the same thing as 4mal, had a 210 and 112 at one point and came to the same conclusions, eventually got 2 112s and then caught the fEarful bug.

    The 210 and 112 do compliment each other pretty well.
     

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