Avatar B212 arrived, and...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by adouglas, Jun 29, 2003.

  1. adouglas


    Jun 23, 2003
    Bridgeport, CT

    The tone I've been seeking for years is now MINE, ALL

    Run, don't walk, to your phone and grab one of these
    puppies before Dave comes to his senses and starts
    charging what it's worth!

    (No connection with Avatar, just a customer who's happier
    than the proverbial pig in chit.)

    I got the Delta LF version... I play 5 strings, and wanted the extra low end.

    BTW, I'm driving the cab with a Tube Works head pulled out of my faithful 1x15 combo that's served me well for years. 260 watts into 4 ohms, or something like that. (These amps
    aren't well known, but they're still made... Genz Benz
    bought TW... info is on the Genz Benz website.) I'm playing
    Carvin active basses and have a Presonus compressor.

    I was (and still am, I guess) considering selling the Tube
    Works combo and buying an SWR head (I like the SWR tone),
    but based on that first session yesterday I don't think I need a new amp. It sounds darned good just as it is.

    Dave mentioned when I ordered it that he likes the horn control turned up just a bit... if "off" is at 7 o'clock, he likes it at 9 o'clock. It does indeed sound great that way.
  2. TxBass


    Jul 3, 2002
    Frisco, Texas
    welcome to the Avatar Appreciation Club. Members joining daily...:D
  3. lo-freq

    lo-freq aka UFO

    Jan 19, 2003
    The Republic of Texas
    Congratulations, dude on the cab.

    It that amp a 7200 model?

    A guitarist in one of my bands has that head (seperate) and a G-B 2x10 cab. It's 200W @ 4 ohm. Great sounding amp (I tried to buy it from him, but it was a present from his wife and she said "No" (actually turned out lucky for me cause I decided to get some new stuff instead).
    If it's the same amp, I liked the SS side of the preamp section alot better than the tube section, more articulate bottom and more punch.
  4. SlavaF


    Jul 31, 2002
    Edmonton AB
    Congrats, nice rig! When I get some cash together, one of those will be mine too.

    If it weren't for F*@$ING UPS charging over $200 US for shipping!:mad:
  5. zillo


    Jun 5, 2003
    The B212 is a thing of beauty. I just came up to breathe after practicing reggae lines with my fretless through it. Heaven on earth!!

    Now if only I could get my playing up to snuff to do justice to the cab:bassist: :D
  6. godoze


    Oct 21, 2002
    i'm thinking of getting the 2x10 version; does anyone here play one of those ?
  7. Here is a different question, 2x12 or 4x10?
  8. I have been thinking about an avatar 2x12 for my bass and chapman stick. So your saying it handles really low notes well and loud?Does it handle full range stuff pretty well too?
  9. Saetia


    Mar 27, 2003
    Alright I'm not trying to steal this thread or anything, but I've asked befor and I got mostly a one-sided/ what to me seemed bia's answere, but hey I may as well ask again. I have a Music Man 2x12 with the 6" mid range, what I was wondering is has anyone A/B'ed the Avatar B212 the Music Man HD212. How do they compare to each other? In my other post people basically said that they cannot be compared and the music man is a better amp? so what are your thoughts? because I'm looking at getting another 2x12 (or possably selling the MM and getting 2 b212's if the Avatars are better) to add to the one I have now. Thanks
  10. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather

    Yeah, I have one(B210). I also have the B115! All I can say is N I C E!!! My amp is only 300w so I'm looking to go to 400w now!
  11. adouglas


    Jun 23, 2003
    Bridgeport, CT
    Regarding the Tube Works question:

    The combo was a 7100 series, which when it was built used what TW called a 3300 series head (go figure). It's hard to see the photo on the Genz Benz site clearly, but the control panel on mine looks identical to the current 7100 series combos.

    The manual says it puts out 180 watts @ 9 ohms (a typo? 9 ohms?), 260 @ 4 and 300 watts @ 2 ohms. I like the tube side sound a lot better than the solid state... to each his/her own.

    I'm running it with the CONTOUR control turned 3/4 of the way up, the lo eq (<150 hz) boosted about 1/4, the lo-mid eq (100-400 hz) cut about 1/4, and everything else flat. The horn on the cab is turned up about a a quarter of the way (pointing at 9 oclock).

    (Side note on bass amps... I've noticed a lot of amps have an "extra" tone control like my CONTOUR control. SWR calls it the "aural enhancer," Eden calls it "presence," etc... it definitey colors the tone, and I really like the effect. Others will no doubt disagree.)

    Regarding the Stick query... Yes, it deals with the low B on my 5 string really well, especially compared to my old 1x15 combo speaker.

    I can't answer the full-range question fairly. I'm looking for a specific bass tone, which I got in spades. I have no idea what it would sound like with the treble side of a Stick... also, the amp plays a huge role in the sound. Bass amps are designed for bass frequencies and have the EQ configured appropriately.

    Speaking personally, if I got a Stick I'd take advantage of its stereo wiring and use two amps, each designed for its role... a bass amp for the bass side and a guitar amp for the treble side. But that's just me.

    The horn on the B212 is capable of serious highs, as in it doesn't sound very good (with a bass guitar) if you crank it all the way up... way too much fret and string noise, but again this is a bass guitar I'm playing here. The high output is a characteristic of the horn, not a design flaw, and Dave himself told me when I ordered it that it sounds best with the horn turned up just a bit from the off position. He's right.

    Hope this helps
  12. adouglas


    Jun 23, 2003
    Bridgeport, CT
    Saetia... of COURSE you're going to get biased answers. By definition we're all just expressing opinions here, right?

    Consider that the chances of any given person having actually A/B'ed two specific pieces of equipment (one of which is brand new and not out there in great numbers yet) AND being present on this board are pretty slim.

    If you're willing to take a chance, you could order an Avatar and send it back if you don't like it. You'd be out the shipping both ways if you did send it back, but you'd KNOW which sounds better and wouldn't be relying on the opinions of others, which are, after all, worth every single penny you're paying for them.

    Or, why not call Dave at Avatar and find out if he's sold a B212 to anyone in your area?
  13. lo-freq

    lo-freq aka UFO

    Jan 19, 2003
    The Republic of Texas
    (A bit off topic): Unless the 400W amp you're talking about has much better dynamic headroom than your current 300W head (or you're going from SS to all tube), you won't notice very much loudness difference between the two. Going from 300W to 600W (theoretically) will yeild about a 3db increase in volume level. 300W to 1200W = ~6db increase, etc.
  14. secretdonkey


    Oct 9, 2002
    Austin, TX
    Hmmm... I posted in another Avatar thread that my b410 sounds best with the horn barely on, though I run my SWR Goliath's attenuator up at the noon position. I'm pleased to see I'm not alone in this opinion.

    I'm eyeing a CB112 cab right now, for a little restaurant gig. Wish Avatar made a single 10 cab...
  15. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    I've gone on before about how great the B212 is so I won't bore everyone with another post in that vein (it seriously rocks though).

    I'm thinking of making my 212 a 4 ohm instead of 8 ohm. Dave said he would make me a deal on a couple of 8 ohm drivers, but I was wondering if anyone has a 4 ohm cab and would like to make it 8 ohm. Speaker swap?
  16. Captain Awesome

    Captain Awesome

    Apr 2, 2001
    You could ask Dave if he can ship some other way. Edmonton isn't THAT far from where Dave is, maybe another shipping company doesn't charge as much for crossing the border.
  17. justBrian


    Apr 19, 2002
    Kansas City, MO
    I have a CB112 and totally love it. I use it with my Baby Blue head for URB, and with an SWR IOD and QSC MX700 for my rock band. It is an incredible little cab. I'm saving for another just like it. :D
  18. SlavaF


    Jul 31, 2002
    Edmonton AB
    Hmm, I guess I did something wrong then. That is a good thing though!:D

    The B212 with Deltas is 75 pounds or around there, and I was quoted at some obscene amount from UPS, I'll talk to Dave when I'm in need of some cabs!

    Thanks SMASH and Primusdude!:D
  19. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather

    According to the UPS rate guide it can be anywhere between $47.20 to $85.20 depending on ship zone to destination zone. This is based on 74-lbs-76-lbs.
  20. SlavaF


    Jul 31, 2002
    Edmonton AB
    Ya know, I think I'm gonna check out the UPS site and try to figure this out right now!:D:bassist: