Avatar: Eminence "DeltaLite (II) 2512s" & Faital "12PR300s"

If you receive the specs for the DeltaLite 2512, they are not correct. That's for certain.

 

I looked at them. The price looks good. I would be interested if they were 8 Ohms.

 

I've been wondering this as well,
are they the "series 2" deltalite 2512s??

i don't see "series 2" anywhere!

also, would being 16 ohms produce different specs than the standard 8 ohm version?

thanks

 

Good drivers but, they have a huge dip in the uupermids. Actually are suitable for sealed cabs if you run with a mid. I used to have the specs.

 

I think these are the ones you guys are talking about : http://www.talkbass.com/threads/deltalite-version-i-vs-ii.800371/

 

The ones I asked about In that thread are 4ohm models from several years back.

The different coil alone says they're not the same as mine.

 

Ahh, these are the drivers they bought from Fender ( Genz Benz Faitals ). Maybe Agedhorse could shed some light.

 

He already has. You need to measure them for yourself or hire someone to do so if you want the T-S parameters. Otherwise, he recommended reverse engineering the Genz cabs they came in.

 

Seems they're buying up overstock/discontinued OEM's but advertising them as the base models they're built on. They're not the same thing, though cloning a Genz NeoX and loading them in there would produce a fine result.

 

We got a great deal from Fender on all of the remaining new stock from Genz Benz and SWR which are now closed. When I spoke to Keith from Faital , he told me they were 12PR300s and 10PR300s that were made for Genz Benz. When I spoke to Jerry McNutt at Eminence, he told me that the 12s and 15s we got from Fender were Deltalite 2512 II 16 ohm and Kappalite 3015 8 ohm that were made for Genz Benz.
Normally the speaker manufacturers don't give out specs for proprietary speakers but since GB and SWR are no longer in business, maybe Keith and Jerry will give the specs out to you if you ask them nicely. Feel free to contact them.
Again, we bought these as a fantastic surplus deal and are selling them for about half of what they'd normally go for. We don't claim them to be anything else other than how I've described them above. We've sold hundreds of these so far and haven't had any complaints except for the one frustrated guy who just called us demanding detailed specs. I hope this info helps. Thanks Dave

 

Therein lies the rub.

There is no such thing as a 16ohm Deltalite. There are 16ohm OEM speakers built on the Deltalite structure. Their specs are...have to be...different from stock.

Same goes for the others.

 

FWIW, Eminence has given me plenty of T/S specs on OEM speakers of theirs I've come across...as long as they're out of OEM contract...ie: discontinued models, company folded, etc.

That still doesn't tell you everything, but it's plenty enough to come up with a good box for them, or see if they'll work well enough in an existing box.

 

Yes, this is obvious to some of us of course.

 

All I can say is Wow!
Another name on the list of companies I'll never do business with.

 

I certainly have "no dog in this fight" and have zero interest in Avatar, as they AFAIK have no representation in Sweden. However, I do see another potential issue here. If Fender dump all these drivers from their stock, they (again) seem to have very little interest in protecting the brand legacy and support the people that currently own and use the discontinued products.
Fender, I so want to stand by you, now and in the future, but you make it so hard...