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Avatar vs. Dr.Bass 210's. Many threads, but none covering this specific subject-TONE

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Modern Growl, Aug 31, 2005.


  1. Avatar B210 Delta

    Dr. Bass Rx210

    *sigh* - Now believe me when I tell you I've exhausted the search engine on all of these. The topics are covered often, but for some reason often trail off into 1x15 or 2x12 talk and so forth.

    My comparison I needed help on was striclty tone, not efficency, weight ect...ect...

    Please tell me a general rule of thumb between the tone diff of all the Avatar B210 vs. the Dr. Bass Rx210

    Thanks for you help.
     
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  3. Sutton

    Sutton

    Mar 3, 2005
    Plainwell, MI
    Though I havent played Dr. Bass Stuff. I think his is better quality wise. I know alot of people who play Avatar, me being one of them, but the few that have played both, seem to prefer Dr. Bass
     
  4. Eric Moesle

    Eric Moesle Supporting Member

    Sep 21, 2001
    Columbus OH
    And WHY do you think that might be? Think there might be a reason?
     
  5. My personal thoughts... well, thats one beef I have with post's from TB-ers (NOT ALL, but some) can't stick to a subject/inquire (Just like your doing right now)

    I see alot of people wanting to give their input, but often don't even answere the question at hand. Rather, I'll see threads end up on Carbon Batteries vs. Alkaline, and the thread subject is comparing Fender vs. Sadowsky.

    Please, if you can't help out with the inquire, dont bother Eric.
     
  6. Eric Moesle

    Eric Moesle Supporting Member

    Sep 21, 2001
    Columbus OH
    I'm trying to help you, as are others, but you don't want to seem to listen. You have started several threads with the same goal: to get "modern growl" from an amp in your bedroom. The best way to achieve this goal, as was stated from several others in your first thread right away, was to get a sansamp BDDI, which I would dare to say at least half - if not more - of the people here use for that purpose. Use it with small combos as well as big rigs, it gives you that growl. That's its purpose. You don't want to listen, fine.

    The speaker isn't going to give you growl. Whether you get the Avatar or the Dr. Bass, they are going to sound pretty much the same in THAT department, especially in a bedroom. You'll likely get more guts out of the 212's as suggested in the other threads (my point), but again, you don't want to hear it.

    You are barking up the wrong tree in your pursuits. Look to you bass, and your hands. There is no magical amp to give you what you seek. Most of what you hear in recorded material on CD's have NO AMP involved, just a preamp like a BDDI, POD, DI etc., straight to the board. Other elements have a "slight" influence on this characteristic, but its mostly in the instrument and the hands.

    My opinion, you want to ask for help, but not hear help.

    I wish you the best.
     
  7. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio

    I couldn't have said this better myself. Get out and try some gear with YOUR bass. That's the only way you are going to know if it is the "tone nirvana" you seek. Stop getting mad when you don't get the answers you want. It seems to me you are waiting to hear someone tell you "Yes, a GK 400RB with an Avatar 1-15 cab will give you exactly the tone you desire" No one can do that, because only YOU know what tone it is you want. And as Eric suggested today, and I suggested several days ago, TRY A SANSAMP. You finally said after repeated questioning the other day, that you'd like a tone like Gary Willis. You WILL NOT get a tone like Willis unless you are playing a fretless bass. There are many factors BESIDES amplifiers that contribute to tone.
     
  8. guys, guys... please stop w/ the Sansamp already. I've owned it, I hate it. My gripe w/ the BDDI, just so you can stop suggesting it to me is this:

    That unit makes every single bass I've ever played sound the same. You totally loose player input. No response to your personal playing dynamics. Every thing goes in and comes out sounding the same. Yeah, yeah, the blend knob right? No, even utilizing the blend knob subtly still sucks out all the mids where 'growl' dwells. I think the unit is good for "kids" playing in hardcore garage bands that want to sound like a load of bricks... i'm not going for that

    thats why I'm going w/ GK - GK had G.I.V.E technolgy wich gives you that 'valve' (samsamp tube emulation) tone, but it doesn't suck your tone like the Sansamp does. G.I.V.E gives you tube growl, while allowing you have a YOUR tone shine thru. YMMV but I hate Sanamps.

    Also, just to mention I didn't even mention once "growl" on this thread. I'm inquiring bassically about frequency responses from diffrent cabinents. Which ones more punchy, lower end, tighter ect ect.... I'm not looking for 12" recomendations, I don't care that Willis plays w/ a fretless, he has an aggressive sound, and you get get that aggressive sound w/ a fretted.

    Not to start a war, but thanks for nothing guys. You have done nothing to help me in my quest for tone. I take it that you have no experience w/ Avatar or Dr.Bass Cabs do you's??? So why comment on threads when you have no experience with the inquired product?

    Just stop already. Your not helpful, but rather come accross in a diffrnet way.
     
  9. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio
    You're on your own then. Good luck finding what you are looking for. I certainly won't be wasting any more of my time answering your questions. If you keep responding to others in the same tone, I'd assume you'll be posting all by yourself soon.
     
  10. Cheezywiz, look, i'm one of the easiest going guys you'll meet. This has never happend to me on TB yet, untill ME and YOU started going at it. And as far as I'm concirned, you started it all yesterday.

    I'm going to be the peacemaker and kill this thread (or at least I'm done posting on it)
     
  11. Eric Moesle

    Eric Moesle Supporting Member

    Sep 21, 2001
    Columbus OH
    I disagree wholeheartedly. I've used it, recording with MANY different and good tones with it, I know of MANY different recordings of others that all sounded different using it, and know a slew of producers who have used it and preferred it for pro recordings. Many here on TalkBass rely on it as their "swiss army knife" and don't call it that for nothing. I can only question your use of it if you make a statement like that.

    If you say so. Have you played through one? You are asking questions about their sound here like you haven't. Don't assume that marketing hype and WORDS will give you the sound you seek in your head. I used GK for years, and I thought them to be more clean, solid state. My Eden is 400% "growlier" than what GK was able to "G.I.V.E." me.

    No, just your NAME, and all of the inquiries in your other related threads . . . we have memories as to your sought-after goals and desires . . . that's how we assess what you are talking about and seeking.

    You're welcome.

    Sure we did, good advice in all of your threads. But sometimes people don't want to listen . . .

    You want to see a picture of my Avatar cab? Looks the same as everyone else's. Just look at their web site. Looks just like it, aside from a few scratches, which (ahem) don't affect the tone. (Psst: its a 12 by the way . . . though my big rig cabs are all 10's . . .).

    As do you, young padawan.
     
  12. I'm done, its over.

    But just to clarify one thing. I'm not in school. I'm a college grad. And I'm a married man.

    thats my only point. i'm done with worthless arguements.

    Hey.. when someone is asking about a comparrison between a Wal vs. Alembic, why dont you tell them then should switch their cables.

    I'm out.
     
  13. Nedmundo

    Nedmundo Supporting Member

    Jan 7, 2005
    Philadelphia
    I've spent quite a bit of time using an Avatar B210, which was left in one of my band's rehearsal spaces. I thought it sounded very good, as long as I turned off the tweeter. But Avatar has a new crossover, which has apparently solved the harsh tweeter problem. Overall, the tone was more warm vintage than modern hi-fi, with decent punch at rehearsal volume. I thoroughly enjoyed playing through it, but I doubt I'd want to gig with it as a standalone cab because I don't think it would have enough bottom. For your purposes, it would be fine, and the price is right. If you want to ensure more booty from your 210, move up to the Avatar 210 with Kappa Pro drivers.

    I have no experience with Dr. Bass cabs, but they get great reviews and it seems like an excellent company. So I'm sure you won't go wrong there either, and the tonal difference either way probably isn't huge.

    But all things being equal, the Avatar has one notable advantage -- linear orientation of the drivers. You can stand it on its end for a vertical array, which increases projection and enhances tone. I noticed this even in a basement with horrendous acoustics, and there was a fascinating thread on point the other day, in which some experts explained why vertical arrays sound better. I can't begin to explain it, but it's good reading. The Dr. Bass cab has a diagonal orientation, which precludes a vertical array.

    I hope this helps.

    I won't comment on the other aspects of this thread, but if you think this was testy, check out the one where somebody accused a poster of being an "endorser" of a product he owns and failing to disclose the "affiliation." Wow. I know we Yanks are at war, and have just suffered a horrible natural disaster to the South, but let's not take out our frustrations here!

    May we all rock on. :bassist:
     
  14. Moo

    Moo Banned

    Dec 14, 2002
    Oakland, CA
    This may not be an easy answer but if you like math you could get WinISD (it's free if you haven't already heard of it) and plot a graph of the response of at least the Avatars with different drivers to get an idea of how they compare. I don't know if Dr. Bass has his specs available.

    This should give you a nice visual example of how they all differ. And then you can post the results here ;)

    You probably won't be able to get all the exact specs like internal volume but you'll get close and see how the the drivers change the tone and that should be close to the real world.