AVRI 62 P-bass Neck issue?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Fletz, Jul 13, 2013.

  1. Fletz

    Fletz

    Jan 16, 2009
    New Jersey
    Hartke artist
    I just traded here on talkbass for a 1962 AVRI P-Bass. Beautiful bass. However ... it seems that when I got it set up they weren't able to get the action that low without creating some serious dead spots around the 16-18 fret on the A and D strings. My guitar guy is REALLY good. He's fixed some doozies. This, he says, is strange. Seems the normal bow in the neck is slightly more severe than gradual and it won't come out without creating a ton of buzz down in the headstock side of the neck (you know, where you USUALLY play :bag: ).

    Anyway, is this normal? Is it because it's vintage style / reissue to spec? Or did I get a bum bass?
     
  2. dedpool1052

    dedpool1052

    Jan 10, 2011
    Seattle, WA
    do you mean dead spots or are the notes fretting out?
     
  3. Fletz

    Fletz

    Jan 16, 2009
    New Jersey
    Hartke artist
    Not sure I know the right terminology. Two frets at 16-18 on the D and 17 on the A buzz dead.
     
  4. Fletz

    Fletz

    Jan 16, 2009
    New Jersey
    Hartke artist
    The action is also relatively high still (compared to my 2008 Am Standard P). This was built in 2009.
     
  5. dedpool1052

    dedpool1052

    Jan 10, 2011
    Seattle, WA
    alright. it could be either high frets, ski-jump in the neck, or both. if you could get an up-close pic of the neck it could help.
     
  6. bassie12

    bassie12

    Aug 23, 2008
    Probably a rise at the body end of the fretboard(ski jump.) This is common in slab board and other Fender type necks. In extreme cases, a refret and board leveling can fix this.
     
  7. dedpool1052

    dedpool1052

    Jan 10, 2011
    Seattle, WA
    what he said.
     
  8. Fletz

    Fletz

    Jan 16, 2009
    New Jersey
    Hartke artist
    ImageUploadedByTalkBass1373749932.675366.jpg

    Hope this is a helpful shot
     
  9. mikeswals

    mikeswals Supporting Member

    Nov 18, 2002
    Seattle / Tacoma
    Wow, to me that is super high action.
     
  10. dedpool1052

    dedpool1052

    Jan 10, 2011
    Seattle, WA
    when you brought it to your tech, did he check the nut height/frets? if it buzzes in the first position, it could be a combination of low nut/uneven frets. a fretlevel might be in order, as well as new nut assuming it's cut too low.
     
  11. j.kernodle

    j.kernodle

    Nov 23, 2008
    South Carolina
    that's tough. I have had an issue with this with a few bolt on fenders. the 7.25 radius can make it seem more severe. some boutique builders like sadowsky and lull purposely build a "fall off" into the neck up toward the pocket to counteract this.

    Its not this way with all of them though. i have a 2012 AVRI that takes a nice low settup.
     
  12. scotch

    scotch It's not rocket science!

    Nov 12, 2006
    Albany, NY USA
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    It's possibly a bum neck.... still - I would get a 2nd opinion on the setup. Your tech may be great but if it were me I would "try again". That is super high action & appears to have way too much relief (could be camera distortion though).
     
  13. Fletz

    Fletz

    Jan 16, 2009
    New Jersey
    Hartke artist
    The nut seems ultra low. Could that be it? Like a strong bend can pull the string out of the nut.
     
  14. dedpool1052

    dedpool1052

    Jan 10, 2011
    Seattle, WA
    yeah, that shouldn't be happening.
     
  15. mikeswals

    mikeswals Supporting Member

    Nov 18, 2002
    Seattle / Tacoma
    No, that shouldn't happen at the nut. Replacement nut is easy enough.
    But for the rest of the fret levels, if you have a metal straightedge you can evaluate for yourself if you have high or low spots that would cause buzzing.
    Take the neck off and adjust the truss till you get the neck totally flat. Sight each fret for gaps or rises.
     
  16. hdracer

    hdracer

    Feb 15, 2009
    Elk River, MN.
    Did the person you made the deal with disclose this?
     
  17. IPA

    IPA Supporting Member

    May 5, 2010
    That's way too high. That's borderline unplayable to me.
     
  18. The Bass Clef

    The Bass Clef is modulating in time. Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 17, 2010
    Southern California
    Definitely too high for me too. Once you have the truss rod set to the right amount of relief, lower the action at the bridge until it's where it should be, regardless of dead notes. Then find your dead notes and you should be able to level the frets behind them (unless there's a crazy warp or twist in the neck). Typically, once you get the dead note back to a clean note, the next higher note will be dead, so sometimes you have to level 2 or 3 frets up and sometimes all the way up to the end of the neck. Not that big of a deal. I'm not sure why your tech was stumped by this neck, unless maybe it's just a lost cause.

    An alternate route you could try is just lighter gauge strings. Then you might have the action you want without even having to lower your saddles because the neck will have less bow in it with the lighter string tension. I can say that TIs have saved me from, or at least postponed having to do fret/neck work on a couple of basses in the past.
     
  19. Templar

    Templar Supporting Member

    As mentioned, get a second opinion. Sounds like your guitar guy is mystified by your problem, which means he's reached the limit of his expertise. The best techs will know exactly what's going on with your bass and should be able to explain the situation to you, and offer solutions.
     
  20. Fletz

    Fletz

    Jan 16, 2009
    New Jersey
    Hartke artist
    So last night in frustration, I popped the neck off myself and applied one more quarter turn on the truss rod. I did a few bridge adjustments and ended getting the action much better. There are only two frets on the A and D strings at arond 18 that buzz dead. (Still not totally acceptable, but possibly just a fret issue?) So, (a) my guitar guy have up a little too soon and (b) I'm happier with the instrument. I'll post pics shortly. Still a little surprised by the trader but, I can't speak for others' acceptance of playable and not - maybe that's the main lesson.