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B-15r head for sale ???

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by lexington125, Oct 18, 2013.


  1. lexington125

    lexington125

    Sep 11, 2013
    hollywood, baby......
    someday I will find 4 or 5 other guys who want to play the blues the way it was played before it became all about guitar heroics
    Just saw a B-15r head only for sale. Not sure what the story is? How would a B-15r head become available without a cab. The amp is approximately 10 or 12 years old - the cab couldn't have worn out the way some original cabs did over 50 years.

    Anyway, as this is such an unusual offering, i'm thinking the owner may have some significant wiggle room in his price; after all. where would he find comparable sales prices?

    In an effort to cut down on the weight problem, I was thinking about keeping the head separate from a new Vintage Blue or Fliptops cab. Or just forget the whole portaflex idea and just pair this head with a Greenboy Bassic or Barefaced Compact.

    The head looks like a solid 9 out of 10 (visually) but you have to wonder about the original reason for splitting the head and cab?
     
  2. Hi.

    Why, if You don't mind me asking.

    10 years is a long time for all sorts of things to happen.

    Heck, sometimes more happens in a month than it does in a decade ;).

    I for one would much rather buy the amp only, and use what ever cabs I want.
    If I would buy a new amp that is.
    It would have to be a REAL bargain.

    Regards
    Sam
     
  3. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    It happens. Sometimes people part stuff out in an attempt to get more money than they could with the whole item.

    Fliptops and Vintage Blue both do fine work, but the Vintage Blue cabs are real works of art. VB doesn't make a sealed B-15R cab but Fliptops does. I'd probably rather have a double baffle cab for it, although you might have trouble with the transformers clearing the speaker. Not sure about that one...maybe someone can chime in who knows.

    No experience with the Greenboy cabs you mentioned but Greenie's a bud and his designs are sweet as well.
     
  4. Flood/something damage to the cab maybe...
     
  5. beans-on-toast

    beans-on-toast Supporting Member

    Aug 7, 2008
    Orphaned portaflex heads and cabinets turn up every once in a while on ebay. It isn't unusual.

    The B-15R is kind of a different B-15. The pre is the same as the SVT-CL. The power amp is unique in the B-15 lineup. It's a nice amp and doesn't need to be used with it's original cab to sound good.
     
  6. Psychobassguy

    Psychobassguy Banned

    Oct 14, 2013
    Sneedville
    The B-15R is the same amp as the old SLM-era V-4BH, just in a different cosmetic package.
     
  7. RickenBoogie

    RickenBoogie

    Jul 22, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    +1 B15R and V4BH is exactly the same thing. Great sounding little 100 watt wonders, imo.
     
  8. bludog

    bludog

    Apr 3, 2012
    Brooklyn 11217
    I'd get a blue diamond head case for it from Bruce at Fliptops and then get a double baffle cab to pair it with. They won't fit inside either Mark (Vintage Blue) or Bruce's baffled cabs. Of course that gives you the ability to pair with any other cab too, which is nice.

    I think the B-15R sounds great. It's a good solid all-tube amp. Not exactly a vintage B15 but has a fantastic sound that is very reminiscent of the originals, oh but louder and with more headroom.

    Replace the 6L6's with EL34's - easy upgrade that adds some nice life to the amp.

    As for the V4BH comparison, I'm not sure they are that similar. In my experience they don't sound all that similar but it could be the cab it's paired with and other variables. Both 100W and both all-tube but my ears tell me they are different, despite the similar designs.
     
  9. gerry grable

    gerry grable Supporting Member

    Nov 9, 2010
    Orphaned portaflex heads and cabinets turn up every once in a while on ebay. It isn't unusual.


    When Ampeg went out of business several years ago and I couldn't get transformers for either of my two, vacuum tube B-15s, I gave the heads to my local repair guy to use for parts. But I saved the cabinets and still use them (one at a time) as extension speakers with my little 12'' GK amp. MB something or other?
     
  10. lexington125

    lexington125

    Sep 11, 2013
    hollywood, baby......
    someday I will find 4 or 5 other guys who want to play the blues the way it was played before it became all about guitar heroics
    oh, man.........I've been looking for a mid-powered tube amp and this certainly fits the requirements. this weekend is already crazy overbooked with real life responsibilities, but I'm not going to see another one of these for sale any time soon, if EVER. Must make decision ! Its just not easy to determine a fair price for something that I've never seen for sale previously. His asking price is high, but I'm not sure where to draw the line btw an aggressively low offer and an insulting low ball.
     
  11. lexington125

    lexington125

    Sep 11, 2013
    hollywood, baby......
    someday I will find 4 or 5 other guys who want to play the blues the way it was played before it became all about guitar heroics
    one more question. All of the other amps I have been considering are older designs that are very straightforward and easy to service. I'm guessing that the B15r (V4BH ?) is a much more modern PCB based design. How does it rate on the service / repair-ability scale? When something goes wrong, is it easy to repair, or is it like some modern designs, where you hear horror stories that the whole board needs might need to be replaced? And then you learn that the board is either not available, or costs more than the amp is worth?
     
  12. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Boy, that'll come as news to all of us who have been buying new Ampeg stuff!
     
  13. Yeah "Ampeg" has never "gone out of business". Who owns the product has changed several times but I have never seen a time where production ended and legacy products in one form or another did not carry on.
     
  14. bobcruz

    bobcruz

    Mar 10, 2004
    CA
    I hope he isn't the guy who told you Ampeg was out of business and transformers weren't available. I don't know anything about Ampegs and even I know you can get aftermarket transformers from the vintage Ampeg specialists. Maybe you can get your heads back?
     
  15. Had a customer give me a Marshall Plexi he was told had a bad OT in exchange for repairs. I replaced the damage output tube socket, couple resistors and new caps. Gave him first shot at buying it back for what I had into it (plus the original repair). Last I knew it is still in his family.
     
  16. lexington125

    lexington125

    Sep 11, 2013
    hollywood, baby......
    someday I will find 4 or 5 other guys who want to play the blues the way it was played before it became all about guitar heroics
    amp is still on Craigslist, but I have not received any replies to my offer.
    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/msg/4128954130.html

    I am curious about his statement that you can use a Fliptops cab to replace the missing cabinet. Would the B-15r fit into a standard B15 cabinet, or would the transformer boxes knock into the speaker frame? I guess Fliptops could build a custom cab for the B-15r, but that would probably cost more than the price he mentioned.
     
  17. Vintage-Blue

    Vintage-Blue Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 13, 2008
    Cincinnati, OH
    Owner, Vintage Blue (repro cabinets)
    No, a B15R is too large to fit a standard B15 cabinet. I think Fliptops also makes a B15R-type cabinet though. I believe you need to look under "All Other Fliptop Type Cabinets" on the web site.
     
  18. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Yep, for sure Fliptops makes a B-15R cab. My buddy Justin bought one.

    Lex, don't judge ease of repair by whether it has a PCB or not. PCB's are commonplace and any decent tech can work on them. And any tube amp can be fixed.

    As for price...it's not terribly out of line.
     
  19. mikeswals

    mikeswals Supporting Member

    Nov 18, 2002
    Seattle / Tacoma
    Hmmm... there is also an orphaned B15R head for sale on the Seattle CL for the past couple of weeks.

    I used to have one of those R's, cool little amp. Sounded even better on my Mesa 215!
    Even more strange....about a year ago someone else also on my CL had an orphaned R cab for sale that he was using as an ext cab for a vintage B15. Now I wished I jumped on it. :meh:
     
  20. Psychobassguy

    Psychobassguy Banned

    Oct 14, 2013
    Sneedville
    The V4BH/B-15R was a reliable amp and pretty easy to work on. Also, since it is in the 100 watt/four 6L6GC category, you're not necessarily limited to using only "Ampeg" transformers should one fail. I don't recommend putting EL34's in one; the power tube sockets have to be rewired, the primary OT impedance doesn't match up well and the amp becomes very bright sounding. Also, the extra heater current required by the EL34's can damage the power transformer.

    Don't let pcb's scare you. Many of the "great" amps have pcb's, including the original SVT. It's how pcb's are used that makes the difference. The mega-buck Sadowsky SA200 was entirely one big pcb.
     

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