Discussion in 'Tablature and Notation [BG]' started by markmeeus, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. Hi everyone,

    Long time visitor - first time poster here.
    Recently, I have been studying Bach's Cello Suites on bass guitar.
    It's amazing study material, and since I'm a software engineer, I decided to give something back.

    It's called, it is very much a work in progress, but the end goal is to have a place that has all required resources to study the cello suites.

    I'm at the point where I need to get feedback from the community.
    I know there are some people on talkbass who have studied these pieces too.

    So here's my question, if you have a minute to sparen, would you like to take a look at
    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    I'm looking for feedback about the study pages, but I would love any comments or ideas.

    thanks in advance!

    Last edited: Nov 8, 2018
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  2. Oddly


    Jan 17, 2014
    Dublin, Ireland.
    Wow. That's very fine work indeed. Well-laid out and easy to use. Thank you for putting all that work in, and best of luck with continuing the project.
    I haven't tried any cello studies since my early days on bass, and I gave up on them too soon as my reading wasn't up to it and frankly I hadn't the patience to work through them.
    Your site just may be my way back...:)
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  3. ONYX


    Apr 14, 2000

    I've been dabbling with this stuff for years, never taking it too serious. But you raise some very good points about "why" one should study Bach. I first learned Prelude #1 in C Major and Sonata #1 in G Minor, and just these two pieces helped me improve in all three areas you mention.

    There is a lack of online resources for this type of material as it relates to bass---keep it up!
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  4. Mushroo

    Mushroo Guest

    Apr 2, 2007
    Beautiful website. You're off to a great start. :)

    My only suggestion is, I think it's worth explicitly mentioning somewhere that bass is a transposing instrument which sounds an octave lower than the cello. A lot of beginners don't know this, and when they read cello music for the first time, they think it's weird that "bass only goes down to E, but cello goes all the way down to C."

    I noticed when I selected the original key of G, the TAB fingerings were an octave higher than written (i.e. sounding in the original cello octave), but when I selected the transposed key of D, the TAB fingerings were in the same octave as the standard notation (i.e. lower than the range of a cello). This is totally fine, but I think a brief explanatory note would be helpful. :)
  5. FatFunk


    Jan 5, 2015
    I love how you assigned a Difficulty Categorization. I was starting out with Josquin Des Press book, but was unsure on how to select which piece to start with.
  6. I love it. Thank you so much for making this! Was making a note of this recently to practice this.

    As a fellow software engineer, also congratz on the technical and layout aspects of the site.
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  7. Interesting. I applaud your ingenuity in the development of the site, and always encourage people to study classical / baroque era music.

    Is there a way to pause and/or rewind the playback without having to start over from the beginning each time?
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  8. Avigdor


    Aug 23, 2018
    Fantastic, well done. I've studied these first on Cello, then some of them on guitar and now I'll
    do them on bass - they are absolute masterpieces. You, Sir, are a hero!
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  9. imdkoz


    Nov 16, 2006
    What a great site!! Thank you for all the hard work.
  10. chazolson

    chazolson Supporting Member

    Jan 8, 2013
    Reston, VA
    Wow. The coolness factor is off the charts. I learned several of these pieces on the cello, but have just dabbled in playing them on the bass. Now I wanna try again. Thanks for this.
  11. fu22ba55

    fu22ba55 Supporting Member

    Apr 16, 2009
    Very cool. Did you author the HTML5/Javascript framework that creates the tab, moving fretboard diagrams and the moving cursor from midi, or did that already exist?

    Songsterr is similar but only generates tab (Not standard notation).

    I see plenty of additional value in it as a teaching platform if/when users are able to upload their own (non Bach) tunes?

    But thanks for the Bach. I should re-visit as well.
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  12. raphaeld


    Sep 19, 2012
    Hallelluiah, God Bless you!!
    Looks fantastic.

    Gonna study it this weekend, too much work right now.
  13. Thanks for this great idea, I will use it for sure in the future!
  14. Robscott


    Mar 20, 2017
    Tonbridge UK
    Wow! This is the good stuff! I love the format, especially the way the screen layout ties together the music audio, the written notes, and the fretboard positions. Good job, I will use this for sure. I have band practice tonight, not sure how they will react when I suggest we learn the Brandenburg suite but we'll see!
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  15. JACink


    Mar 9, 2011
    Very cool.

    Great to see uncluttered, simple and functional sites that prove it can be done :thumbsup:
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  16. groooooove

    groooooove Supporting Member

    Dec 17, 2008
    Long Island, NY
    i just peeked at the courante from suite 1 -

    first of all, it's a wonderful thing you've done and i - as a bass player, musician, teacher, Bach lover - want to say thank you.

    when i hit play it would be nice to hear a performance appropriate tempo, then have the ability to slow it down for rehearsal.

    also why change the key? the original works fine i think. it's not necessarily easier, and any student ready to take this on would probably be well advised to do it in the original key.

    I would strongly encourage the use of phrase markings as well - the free score from IMSLP has good bow markings for this - those phrase markings help enhance the structure of the piece and bring it to life.

    looks great. keep it up. I look forward to checking in on it regularly.
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  17. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    Welcome to TalkBass!!!!

    Nice work!
  18. Mushroo

    Mushroo Guest

    Apr 2, 2007
    I'm not the OP, so please don't consider this an "official" answer. ;)
    1. If you play in "cello octave": The high G is mission-critical (especially in the 1st Suite Prelude!), but the highest note on a 20-fret four-string is Eb. :(
    2. If you play in "bass octave": You can't play the dramatic "contra-bass" C's and D's, unless you have a 5-string or utilize drop tuning. :(
    The OP has done a really, really, really nice job offering the Suites in a variety of octaves and transposition-keys.
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2018
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  19. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Supporting Member

    Damn...this is fantastic!
  20. kesslari

    kesslari Groovin' with the Fusion Cats Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2007
    Santa Cruz Mtns, California
    Lark in the Morning Instructional Videos; Audix Microphones
    Great work!

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