Bases for small hands

Discussion in 'Basses [DB]' started by Bootyscadoodle, Jun 22, 2019.

  1. Bootyscadoodle

    Bootyscadoodle

    Jun 13, 2019
    Can anyone recommend an entry level bass for small hands? I'm 5'4" with short fingers and have had my hands on a few 1/4 and 3/4 basses but I notice there's a wide variety of sizes of the neck. I'm looking for a bass to rent and start lessons on, but not having much luck. The only sizes that are available right now with-in a 2-hour radius of home are 1/4 basses to rent or purchase and 3/4 basses to buy. I would rather start lessons on the size bass I'll actually be playing. I'm leary of a 3/4 size but if the neck is small enough for my hands, I would consider it. I'm not interested in Cremonas or Palatinos, based on what I've read here and heard in casual discussions. Also not interested in the Shen SB 80 - the neck's too big. Thoughts or suggestions for brands to look into based on entry level budget and playability for small hands? Thanks!
     
  2. A neck can be shaved down, but a thick neck is actually much better for you physically.
     
  3. Jeff Bonny

    Jeff Bonny Inactive

    Nov 20, 2000
    Harrison Mills
    This is your first bass? Buy a 3/4 and play it for a while before you decide you need a smaller neck. This topic has been discussed ad nauseum on Talkbass. The overwhelming opinion is small adult hands are best off avoiding instruments designed for children.
     
  4. Size wise see if you can find a 5/8ths bass. It could be a good fit for your size and will help out with learning good technique. A 1/4 size bass probably isn’t the best bet for you. If you want some inspiration check out Gary Karr! I think he stands around 5’4”.
     
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  5. LouisF

    LouisF Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2003
    Los Angeles, CA
    Also, IME, string length is as important as the thickness of the neck. If you have small hands don't go over a 40" string length (IMO, as they say!)
     
  6. Bootyscadoodle

    Bootyscadoodle

    Jun 13, 2019
    Can you give me a little more information on this?
    Thanks for all your comments, especially regarding a 5/8 size and the shorter string length.
     
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  7. When the neck is thicker, the fingers are naturally spread wider. When the neck is slimmer, the fingers are closer together and you need to use muscles to spread them wider. Of course, the neck shouldn't be too thick, but slimmer isn't automatically better for small hands.

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  8. Bootyscadoodle

    Bootyscadoodle

    Jun 13, 2019
    Got it! Thanks!
     
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  9. Bigger hands are not always a plus for this instrument - which is so old that people were smaller when it was invented. So, I would start with renting a straight forward 3/4 and see how you get on with it and some lessons. So far, the people who made these assumptions from the outset here at TB have, in fact ,proven them false (even if they do not know it).
    Some great players have moved to smaller instrument from an informed position, however. So, starting with a normal bass will give you the perspective needed. Adults actually needing a smaller instrument is an extremely rare situation.
     
  10. LouisF

    LouisF Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2003
    Los Angeles, CA
    What's false about what I said?
     
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  11. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    I have had two students who stand 5’0”, both with small hands. Both have short wingspans as well. Both could get around fine on a 3/4 bass, although one eventually chose to play a 5/8 bass for the scale length (definitely not for the neck thickness, which is was the same as a 3/4). IME the big sticking point for folks with small hands is getting past the pedagogical dogma that the hand is supposed to be spread a whole step between 1 and 4 the whole time when playing in the lower positions. I have a largish span, and even I think this is an unhealthy notion. Learning to use a quasi pivoting technique is a much healthier approach for smaller people IMO (and as always, EEMWCB).

    At ISB, I got to sit in on a taping of a podcast about bassist health featuring three small statured bassists: Chi Chi Nwanoku, who stands 5’0”, John Patitucci, who is about 5’7, and Steve Bailey, who is in between the two but probably closer to Chi Chi’s height than John’s. They all spoke about overcoming the challenges that their statures presented, and said that much of the obstacle involved the attitude that the bass was meant for bigger people. Podcast Archives - Contrabass Conversations (Note: Jason was standing on a step up in that picture)
     
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  12. Nothing.
     
  13. I would add that it is an advanced decision to made from an informed position, however.
     
  14. oliebrice

    oliebrice

    Apr 7, 2003
    Hastings, UK
    Worth noting also that Chi-chi's bass is pretty big. Being small doesn't seem to stand in the way of her playing amazingly on it!
     
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  15. Don Kasper

    Don Kasper Gold Supporting Member

    Looks like Steve Bailey doesn't always play a 3/4 sized bass - AFAIK.
    See below at 1:14.

     
  16. Eric Hochberg

    Eric Hochberg Supporting Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    Chicago
    Since 3/4 basses are found with anywhere from 40-43" string lengths these days, all other things being equal, I think the decision for a small handed player would ideally be to go with the shorter. I'll guess that the majority are 41.5-42" and those will be more available, and shouldn't stop a smaller person from getting into the instrument.
     
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  17. And I think going with whatever rental presents itself, and then worrying about specifics IF hand size in fact presents an issue. It very likely that it won't.
     
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  18. Eric Hochberg

    Eric Hochberg Supporting Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    Chicago
    Agreed.
     
  19. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY

    True - but he did just fine with a borrowed 3/4 size bass on the "John Clayton and Friends" concert a few weeks ago!
     
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  20. GretschWretch

    GretschWretch Supporting Member

    Dec 27, 2013
    East Central Alabama
    Has it been clearly established whether OP is talking about neck length (mensure) or neck girth (thickness)? In this instance we all need to be on the same page.

    At 5' 6" (and diminishing as I age -- Hobbiton here I come!) through shivoting I have made my peace with the forty-two inch mensure. But some necks are just *too* deep and thick for me to get my fingers around comfortably.
     
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