Bass Amp for Power Trio

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by jjones734, Jul 21, 2013.

  1. jjones734


    Jul 21, 2013
    Okay, I am not a bass player, I am a guitar player in a power trio group, we play songs originals and covers, but mainly our songs are by groups/artists like Robin Trower, Jimi Hendrix, ZZ Top, Peter Frampton, Eric Gales, Allman Brothers, Junior Walker, Buddy Guy, etc. etc.

    I need to find a bass CABINET CONFIGURATION, brand neutral, that many of you would choose if you were playing such a rig for outdoor shows mainly, utilizing in-ear monitoring system, for PA monitors on vocals.

    I know it sounds crazy, but our bass player, has always "built" his own rigs, and quite frankly, they sound.... he uses 4x10 configuration, using low quality MCM electronics aluminum cone woofers, an ashley pre-amp and a carver 1200watt power amp. He plays Ibanez 4 string custom SDR and custom basses.

    I play a simple vintage Carvin x100b 1/2 stack, a Morley Wah, a Dunlop Rotovibe, a Digitech Chorus, and DOD FX40B equalizer, that's my rig, my guitars are Ibanez UV and RG series 7 Strings, (yeah I know, but that's the tone I like) I have a very loud natural sound. I am walking all over him.

    Its driving our drummer nuts. We generally like to only have vocals in our in-ear monitors with a couple of stage mics we have set up for ambient sounds.

    The issue we have is his bass tone, its terrible, thin, and just doesn't give us the punch as a 3 piece, now granted I direct box straight from his guitar to the FOH, so I am avoiding his amp tones for the most part, but

    His playing is suffering because he constantly can't hear himself, I feel its the thin tone, and if he had a fuller, more natural/organic sound, it would help him, out, so I have decided to buy a bass rig. I have six string and 5 string basses, so I want to get a rig that can be used for those basses as well.

    If I were to pick a bass tone I am looking for?

    Tommy Shannon - SRV Live at the El Macombo
    Jame D'war - Robin Trower Bridge of Sighs

    I know Tommy back then was playing a HUGE rig with a CS800 or something like that powering 4 x 15 or 4x18 rig. Not looking to go quite that big.

    Can I please have some help. you can email me a [email protected]
  2. If you want scoopy PUNCH, a Fender Rumble amp will do.

    If not, Ampeg comes to mind.
  3. Bert Slide

    Bert Slide

    May 16, 2012
    Louisville KY
    I play similar music in a power trio and I have never found anything better than vintage tube amps for tone, portability issues aside. For cabs an 810 or two 410s for the big outdoor shows would probably be my preference but I have a 215 that will suffice and is more portable.
  4. jjones734


    Jul 21, 2013
    I am looking at a 4x10, 1x15 rig, with a BBE B-MAX BMAX Solid State Bass Guitar Pre-Amp w/Sonic Maximizer B-Max Preamp, and a matching QSC Power Amp (to speaker wattage/impedance). I know that tube is the best warmth, but at this time, cost is an issue. So I have go solidstate.

    As I stated, kind of looking for cabinet configuration, not so much specific brands, but I also understand that some types of cabinets vs. manufacturer have different results.

    The 4x10 configuration, is not keeping up with 100watt all tube head, but I am thinking the 4x10 with 1x15 and the BBE's ability to balance waveforms might be the ticket.

    Has anyone had experience with a similar configuration.
  5. cableguy


    Jun 4, 2009
    North Bend, WA
    Everything except the speakers/cab sound like good level stuff. Ashley and Carver are great companies. I play in a power trio that plays similar music. Just did an outdoor show yesterday and my rig killed. Spector NS2A>Tech 21 BDDI>Carvin HD1500>fEARful 12/5-15/sub. The FOH came straight of my BDDI. For smaller shows I just use the 12/6 alone. For real small shows or practice I only use my BDDI. If he like to build his own cab tell him to research the fEARfuls.....
  6. jjones734


    Jul 21, 2013
    What cabinet configuration?
  7. jjones734


    Jul 21, 2013
    Oh, thank you, I am not familiar with the Fearful, I am really looking at the correct speaker configuration, that will give that full-bodied tone with solid state equipment.
  8. iualum


    Apr 9, 2004
    410/115. Poor rig. Doesn't matter if lots of guys use one, it's still a poor match. Go 410 x 2 or 115 x 2 (or any multiple of identical cabs for whatever displacement you want/need as long as your amp supports the ohms).
  9. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    A 4x10 plus 1x15 is a very poor combination despite its popularity. If two cabinets are needed then a pair of identical ones are the best choice.

    I owned the tube version of the BMAX and I didn't like it that much. The Sonic Maximizer did nothing positive for my tone.

    QSC make great power amps and are a good choice. That said, it doesn't matter how good the amp is if the speaker system cannot do it justice. I have no experience with the Fearfuls but I respect the opinions of some of the folk who use them. My own choice was Acme,
  10. cableguy


    Jun 4, 2009
    North Bend, WA
    The fEARfuls give you what you put in. Also if his current cab is made with cheaper speakers the Bmax puts out huge low end and would not be a good match. Start with the cab before anything else. If you're looking cheap look at an old Peavey 2x15. The fEARfuls are great but even when you build them yourself they can be costly because of the quality drivers.
  11. Dr Improbable

    Dr Improbable

    Apr 15, 2013
    And tell him to warm it up with more mids.
  12. I'd just get an Ampeg 8x10 fridge. There's a reason they're so popular.

    Oh, and I'd rather have a VT Bass than that BBE preamp. With a QSC power amp, that would be a pretty awesome rig.
  13. Bert Slide

    Bert Slide

    May 16, 2012
    Louisville KY
    I use an LDS 215/265 cab with my 100 watt tube head and an 810 with the 300 watt. I've never paired a 15 with a 410. You said you were going solid state though didn't you. I also use GK rb heads through a 210 or 410 with BG and DB for small/medium gigs. Can't beat the old GK's for durability and good clean sound.
  14. If you want LOUD, yet portable, check out the Rumble 350 combo.
  15. IMO, the cab is one of the most important pieces of gear for getting "your sound".

    Using low cost drivers, and stuffing them into a box without doing any of the engineering necessary, gives you a crappy sounding cab.

    His pre/power amp should be fine.

    Just get him to BUY a real cab.
  16. Skip the combo's.

    Tell your bassist to replace his home made cab with a home made 15/6 and then if he needs more add a 15sub.
  17. Anybody else smelling recycled 1000w + power am, preferably tube, with improved attention to articulation?
  18. majortoby


    Jul 2, 2009
    Tampa, Fl USA
    ^First thought that came to mind, good buddy. By the way, hats off to ya for calling it yesterday!
  19. Dump the BBE, cab config?, any good cab you want. 2X115, 2X112, 1X212, 2X212 2X210, 2X410, 1X412, 2X412, 1X610, 2X610, 1X810, 2X810.
  20. MrLenny1


    Jan 17, 2009
    New England
    Go 4x10 for sure,brand name, best cab I ever used.
    6x10 might be nice for a one cab setup.
    I tried making my own cabs years ago. Same results, sounding ******.