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Bass head with incredible lows and clarity (other then an Ampeg SVT)

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by CrawlingEye, May 1, 2001.


  1. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    I want head that can be felt more then heard, but is very clean sounding. I'm thinking of a new rig. I've decided on two 1x15 bag end's and I'm thinking of a head to power these two. I don't really need the new rig, but would like another. G.A.S. has increased since I joined here.

    Perferably something between 300-700 watts that isn't that far over 1k (perferably under 1k)

    thanks.
     
  2. Angus

    Angus Supporting Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Palo Alto, CA
    Felt but not heard...and clarity? What?
     
  3. SuperDuck

    SuperDuck

    Sep 26, 2000
    Wisconsin
    I think that what Angus is trying to say is that the combination of qualities that you are a looking for don't really add up. If a bass is felt but not heard, there is no clarity. If you can tell there is clarity, you have heard it already.

    And the Ampeg SVT I played through once (through two 8x10s) was anything BUT clear. But that's not the point. :D
     
  4. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    My point is, I want something that's felt really easily, (like when you goto a show and when you first walk in you can feel the bass shooting through you) But something that isn't muddy and doesn't have some horrid sound to it. If that makes sense? Like right now my bass and rig can get really lows, but it kind of sounds muddy. So I don't really want something that's muddy.
     
  5. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Eden, either WT-400, 500 or 600 in you price range. Although, unless you buy very good 15's (like Eden), you're defeating your purpose. The 15's are likely to be muddy by themselves. I'd add a 210 on top of a 15 cab if I were you. Either that or go to an SWR Triad.
     
  6. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member Administrator

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    sounds to me like what you want is an SWR - they have a less pronounced mid range than many amps, but with a very pronounced high end (for clarity) and low end.
     
  7. VicDamone

    VicDamone

    Jun 25, 2000
    CrawlingEye:

    I had to read and reread your first sentance over and over. The omission of, "a," after "I want," left me smiling in total aggrement. Yes sir buddy so do I. I'm which you.

    I think I understand what your looking for though. I once bought a new SVT/9-10" and sold it thinking they would never stop building them besides I was tired of driving the truck. Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

    While my current rig wasn't purchased to match the SVT volume it does however have a much more controlled deep bottom, tube vib, if you will. Adding more 10"s or 12"s would make it much louder than the SVT.

    A subwoofer system is what you want to hear. There are a few new powered subs out now which make it a hassel free hook up and may cost less. I'm completely happy with my Bag End ELF system.

    A standard 15" or 18" cabinet's frequency response isn't any lower than most 10" cabinets. The timbre of the cabinet may sound different than the 10"s but they don't measure much lower.

    Now if your looking for strong midrange to cut through a loud stage band, I've played through two 1-15" Bag End, Stewart 2.1/Aguilar set up that I felt was way loud.
     
  8. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    So far what I thought of is Fender Bassman 400 (head), SWR Bass 350, and an Ampeg B-2R.

    The only objection I have to the Fender Bassman 400 is that it doesn't have a graphic EQ.
     
  9. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
    I know what you're looking for...

    <a href="http://www.ebs.bass.se/2001/amps2.htm#faf"><img src="http://www.ebs.bass.se/2001/products/fafner/fafner_sm.gif" border="1"></a>

    Can be hard to find them for less then $1,000, though.
     
  10. Bernie

    Bernie

    Dec 12, 1999
    I had an SWR bass 750 and tried the 350 as well.I dont think they have the lows your looking for.Try Eden,Ashdown,Ampeg heads.Good luck!
     
  11. I think it is a Mesa Boogie Bass 400+ you want. :D
     
  12. Oysterman.

    Do you use the Fafner?

    I'm still trying to decide between the Fafner or the Aquilar DB359.

    And no, niether one is available locally for me to try.

    The cabs are on there way.

    I'm leaning toward the Aguilar but I'm still not sure about the 200 watt power rating (compared to the Fafner 600+).

    I understand the difference between tube and SS ratings but still can't find anyone (including people at Aguilar) who can honestly say that 200 is enough for most situations short of stadiums and large venues.

    --Charlie
     
  13. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings

    You want a PA.
     
  14. Matthias

    Matthias

    May 30, 2000
    Vienna, Austria
    That's a good point. When you do a show there will most likely be a PA and the soundguy will most likely not want you to produce too much bass on stage.

    Rehearsal and (very) small gigs without PA is another thing. I love my 215 for that purpose.

    For clear and solid lows at high volume you will most likely need more power than 400 watts, because any amp will sound muddy when it runs out of headroom.
    I never tried bag ends but they are said to build the best 18" and 15" drivers, so I guess that's a good choice.

    Matthias
     
  15. KB

    KB

    Jan 13, 2000
    Chapel Hill, NC
    Try A Carvin R600 or R1000. With all of the equalizers on it you can dial in about any sound you want. I have the R600 with a Carvin 2x10 and 1x15 and I can get low thump or clean crystal highs. The only disadvantage is that unless you live in California you can't try before you buy, but they do have a reasonable return policy if you don't like the amp.
    I would put Carvin in the same league as SWR, but just with different sound (and more sound options).

    -KB
     
  16. TCollins

    TCollins

    Apr 4, 2000
    Another vote here for the Mesa Boogie Bass 400+
     
  17. MtnGoat

    MtnGoat

    May 7, 2000
    MA/NH
    If you want earth-shattering lows with clarity, you would do yourself a big favor to check out the Aguilar line. Those amps are phenomenal tone machines in my opinion.
    Keep in mind that your cabinet will have a lot to do with the clarity and overall sound as well.
    Digs
     
  18. FYI

    Just bought the Agilar DB359.
    Supposed to out-power the SVT.
    They say it has improved transformer design.

    We Shall See!
    --c
     
  19. Well, someone's gotta say it:

    SVP preamp into a munter Mackie/QSC/Crown power amp. Run a 2x10 so you can actually hear what you're playing, and a 1x18 (hell, why not a 2x18?) so you can feel it.
    To move an 18" with some sort of authority you need some big watts in the power department. The SVP should give you all your tone requirements. You will have battles with the sound tech though, especially since a driving 18" would give those @ the end of the room kidney damage.

    Dunno why people mention the Bass 400+ - too middy and growly i've found from past experience.

    Ampeg B2R is too pussy (I own one). It goes nice and real low, but is underpowered.

    How about some of those Seymour Duncan SS amps that crank out 600w @ 2ohms?
     
  20. =^..^=

    =^..^=

    Jan 25, 2001
    Stuck on a rock !
    Last weeks gig was at a medium size venue (about 250 people) with the PA just doing the vocals - everything else was just the backline.

    At our sound check my rig was rattling the lighting rig, the stage, and even shook a glass off a table. The out front sound was best described as being hit in the chest with a sledgehammer but wasn't particularly loud

    But.. and this is the cool bit - I could talk to our guitarist. Not shout, but talk easily. The sound was just being thrown out and at a low frequency.

    Throw in a few quick pops to see what that was like and it followed very nicely - a bit trebly, so I backed off the top for almost exactly the sound I wanted.

    Ashdown ABM 500 4*10 + harmoniser ! Not sure what it will be in dollars but probably just over $1,100 I'd guess.