bass vs guitar sound help

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by downstairs, Oct 4, 2001.

  1. downstairs


    May 13, 2001
    Pasadena, MD
    Ok, i'm in a of my guitarists uses the "scooped mid" thing, and the other guitarist has everything up except, i know that to "cut throught the mix" you need to have opposite of the guitarist, so what do i do now (short of cutting cables leading to the guitar amps or drowning them out with 2000 watts).
  2. hyperlitem

    hyperlitem Guest

    Jul 25, 2001
    Indianapolis, IN
    i would say get a downward slope with your eq. Put the bass all the way, the mids about medium and the highs low or out. with 2 guitarists your highs wont come through very well anyway. Hopefully u can use your bass to its full advantage and people will able to feel u as well as hear you. It also depends on your music, sometimes you can just hear the bass through all that stuff anyway. Listen to Metallica, i'm not saying a big fan but ive been trying to get into a little cliff lately. You can barely distiguise him from the bassy guitars, but somehow he just comes thorugh, you have to listen hard for it though. If you ever listen to Burning airlines *GREAT BAND*, their bassist plays more like a drummer. him and the drummer are real tight and you can obviously distinguise those 2 intruments. I do the same thing when my band writes music. i figure something out with the drummer first, the the guitarist figures somthing out, then the singer last, but i dont know how you do things. Just some ideas
  3. Very simple.. talk to your guitar players about the sound, and keep this stuff in mind :

    <li>lead guitar = little lows, some mids, lots of highs</li>
    <li>Rythm guitar = little lows, lots of mids, few highs</li>
    <li>bass = lots of lows, some mids, little highs</li>
    <li>vocals = very little lows, lots of mids, some highs</li>
    <li>the lower the bass, the tighter the drummer's bassdrum should be. ( low b + muffled bassdrum = bah )</li>

    The volume should be well balanced. all in struments should be clearly audible.

    very important : the guitarists should have 2 different types of distortion, which can combine perfectly.

    At least that's what Oscar Holleman ( some Dutch dude who runs a recording-studio ) told me once.
  4. merlin

    merlin Guest

    Should i?? SHOULD i move this to amps? Sorry guys, this is about modifying the tones on ones amp generally, so i'll try it there.

    Note to mods: Please feel free to move this else where.. I'm getting better with my aim i hope!


  5. Matthias


    May 30, 2000
    Vienna, Austria
    What AllodoX says!
    Maybe one modification:
    bass: some lows, lots of low mids, some high mids

    Even if they play 7-stringers there's no need to boost the bass range of the guitar amp.

    Also boosting low bass (80Hz and lower) on the bass amp maybe won't help you - you will need low mids to better cut through.
  6. downstairs


    May 13, 2001
    Pasadena, MD
    well, whenever i play the guitar i have alot of bass, scooped mids, and alot of gives me that rumble to floor power, like why i like to play bass, and thats what my rhythm guitarist is trying to acheive, the shake floor power.
  7. mgood

    mgood Guest

    Sep 29, 2001
    Levelland, Texas
    I thought those sounded like pretty good ideas.
  8. ThunderStik

    ThunderStik Guest

    Jun 25, 2001
    Claremore OK.
    Get alot of 10 inch speakers and an ampeg preamp with a carvin 1500watt power amp and call me in the morning.:cool: ;)
  9. Gallient Knight

    Gallient Knight Guest

    Jul 31, 2001
    Milford CT
    If your looking for stage volume I almost always suggest having at least one bass cab cross the stage like a side fill. If your talking overall live sound load up on bass and let the guitars have most of the mid range. Comming from a metal era band and moving into playing swing and county with fiddles, steel players and whatever else we could fit on stage I learned that the placement of and selection of notes is critical to feeling like anything more than an octave pedal of the rhythm guitar. The Metallica example is great for this listen to, And Justice, Black album Jason is in there but lost most of the time, on Load and Reload the producer (Bob Rock I think) worked with Jason alot on note placement.