BassCliff w/True Willie, Jacksonville Florida, 9/26/17-10/2/17(Video added!)

Discussion in 'Bass Humor & Gig Stories [BG]' started by BassCliff, Sep 26, 2017.


  1. growlypants

    growlypants

    Nov 10, 2012
    Atlanta
    Just awesome - thanks for keeping us all in the loop! (And, HEY!! I didn't realize you were already famous!!). Good luck tonight, have fun, (that's what the heck it's all about, right?) and you have my permission to skip the food-and-chicks shots! (Just this once, though...)
     
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  2. bassWR

    bassWR Supporting Member

    Nov 21, 2009
    Warner Robins GA
    Great report Cliff,
    If you get some day trip time check out Amelia Island and Saint Augustine.
    Hopefully the hurricane damage was not too excessive.
     
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  3. BassCliff

    BassCliff

    May 17, 2012
    So. Cal.
    Hi,

    I should be getting some rest but, what the hey?

    I'm going to have to Google that but "grouper throats" sounds like some kind of silly thing. ;)

    OK, I've got pictures coming up of our trip to St. Augustine. It was pretty cool.

    Thanks! I'll see what I can do about video. I'll bet if you go to the Alhambra Theater's Facebook page you might find some. I don't have time to look right now, sorry. As far as I know Roger has all the details worked out for his tribute act.

    The line is "Like a band of gypsies we go down the highway". ;) It's total fun this week! (Along with some hard work. This is real show-business stuff.)

    I wish I would've taken better advantage of my time in the Air Force Band. But I was young and dumb.

    Florida is recovering quickly. Already, after Irma, everywhere we've gone is open, clean, thriving, etc. But you don't have to go far off the main thoroughfares to see that the clean-up is still ongoing. There are a lot of good, hard-working people here.

    This gig is the bomb! I'm pretty sure we'll be back again next year, if not sooner.

    I'm not "already famous" except in my kitchen. We really had a blast tonight. The show went so much better than last night with its "first night jitters", ya know?

    I'll share a bunch of picture from our day trip to St. Augustine, the oldest city in America. The city was open for business while it's still cleaning up some messes. We had a great time there today. We passed a few clean-up crews on the way, but not on this bridge over the Tolomato River. Wow, there is a lot of water around here.

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    We're headed to the old jail so we can get some trolley tickets.

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    We found Gator Bob's next to the Old Jail.

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    This is one of the guides for the Old Jail tour. We just took the trolley around St. Augustine.

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    The Old Jail is undergoing some repair at the moment but they are open for business.

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    Here's Dave (drummer) and his wife, Ruth, and I on the trolley.

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    It was a warm day so I had to buy a souvenir cap. We passed very near Ponce de Leon's Fountain of Youth but we didn't go in. If you go in you have to drink from it. I've heard it's a little nasty.

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    The is the fort Castillo de San Marcos.

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    Then we were back on the trolley to look at all the churches that Henry Flagler built. This is Grace United Methodist.

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    This is the Ancient Baptist Church that Henry Flagler built.

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    And this is Memorial Presbyterian Church, also built by Henry Flagler.

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    This is Flagler College. It used to be a really ritzy hotel.

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    This is the town hall and Lightner Museum.

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    These are a couple of cute residences in the Lincolnville section of St. Augustine FL.

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    I'm not sure why Dave has such a sour look on his face. It was pretty warm and humid today. Most Southern California residents are not accustomed to the high humidity.

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    This is the St. Augustine Distillery. If you got off the trolley here you could have a free adult beverage.

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    This stop on our tour, Whetstone Chocolates, was closed due to Irma. It will reopen in a couple of days.

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    This is a statue of Ponce de Leon near the Bridge of Lions at the Plaza de Constitution.

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    I'll be back in the next post to finish up our day trip to St. Augustine. Then maybe I'll tell you about our gig this evening. Thanks for looking!


    Thank you for your indulgence,

    BassCliff
     
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  4. BassCliff

    BassCliff

    May 17, 2012
    So. Cal.
    Hi!

    Let's finish up our day trip. We got off the trolley at the plaza to take in the sights and walk round St. George Street. This is the Cathedral Basilica of St. Augustine.

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    Then we took a stroll through the Plaza de la Constitucion. The trolley driver called it the "hub" of St. Augustine.

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    This is a Civil War monument. I'm kind of surprised that it's still here and hasn't been erased from history.

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    This is a Civil Rights monument in the Plaza.

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    Here are a couple of views of St. George street. It looks a lot like the French Quarter in New Orleans. I suppose that's because they are both Spanish architecture.

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    This is one of the cemeterys in the area still being cleaned up after Irma.

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    This is Magnolia Street, one of the most beautiful streets in the country when you're not cleaning up after a hurricane.

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    When we got back to the hotel, I got a text with a picture. It seems I was the victim of a practical joke.

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    Everyone had taken their trolley sticker and surreptitiously placed it on my back. I didn't know it until I got this text with the picture. It's fun to be reminded that I'm the bass player, good-natured kidding.

    A little later we headed to the Alhambra Theater for our supper. Tonight I had the fried shrimp, fries, slaw, and hush puppies.

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    I encouraged our Reba to sign one of the empty stars in the hallway backstage. "Corrie as Reba" is how she signed it.

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    Here's a selfie shot of us lads backstage just before we go out front and put on the show.

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    Again, I stuck my camera out from behind the curtain to take this picture.

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    These two pictures are at the end of the show just after Reba and T-Willie finished their big duet. It was an epic standing ovation. Everyone, even the band, enjoyed the performance tonight.

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    Then the band played their "walk-off" music. We joined the talent out front afterwards for some palm pressing and photo ops.

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    Then we had to be roadies again. Johnny had to program in a couple of patches because he forgot to save them last night. I just had to put my bass in my case.

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    And that was our Thursday here in beautiful downtown Jacksonville. We are really having a great time. The show tonight was so much better than last night. Friday night should be epic. Bob, Corrie's husband, has been a huge help in coaching us through Corrie's show, getting it tighter and more "show-y". When Bob does the Reba show with Corrie his band reads the charts. We have all memorized the show, mostly, so we are still dealing with a lot of new material, intros, outros, transitions, etc. But it has really come together. The crowd was amazing. Hey, thanks for looking!


    Thank you for your indulgence,

    BassCliff
     
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  5. fhm555

    fhm555 So FOS my eyes are brown Supporting Member

    Feb 16, 2011
    Actually, grouper bells are the silly thing. It's what you tell tourists they need when they come in a tackle shop looking for the best bait for grouper. Kinda in the same vein as flight line or prop wash. :D

    Grouper throats are chunks of solid white meat taken from between the head and the rib cage and contain the pectoral fins. They are usually battered and fried, but can be done any way you can do a fillet. They are super tasty and have none of the gamey fishy taste associated with the bloodline that you get in your typical seafood restaurant fillet. If you don't see it on the menu it never hurts to ask.

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  6. growlypants

    growlypants

    Nov 10, 2012
    Atlanta
    Thanks for the (gettin' to be "as usual"!!) great gig report!! I've been to St. Augustine and enjoyed your take on the place. Beautiful photos... Glad to hear you're relaxing a bit, and that the show is going so well. You d'MAN!!
     
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  7. McG

    McG Goat Hill Gamblers

    Oct 6, 2010
    Costa Mesa, CA
    Beautiful city. Thanks for the great photos and commentary. I feel like I was there. Now I can take St. Augustine off my bucket list :thumbsup:

    Forget distilleries, wineries or brewing companies. A chocolate tasting room is where you'll find me :) Bummer that one was closed. I would have jumped trolley for it ;)

    So glad to see minimal hurricane damage :thumbsup:

    *sigh* We continue to get no respect. :rollno:

    Health food it ain't, comfort food of the highest order it is. Dbase is gonna love it :D

    That was only the second show out of six. Think how tight you guys will be by Saturday night! :cool: BTW, is the set list the same for all shows or are you mixing it up a bit?
     
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  8. BassCliff

    BassCliff

    May 17, 2012
    So. Cal.
    If we hit up another nice seafood place I will ask. Thanks!

    Thank you. I'm hoping this will be at least an annual engagement for us. It's great!

    I'm glad we made the trip. St. Augustine is a very nice city.

    Reba's show is pretty much set in stone. It's the same show she uses in Las Vegas. Everything is timed to the second and choreographed for maximum effect. With T-Willie we have a little wiggle room but will also be the same except to maybe change one tune for another depending on the crowd and how long the show is running. We can't go over too much.

    Some of the lads and I walked down to the beach this morning after breakfast. The hotel has a nice breakfast buffet. This morning I had scrambled eggs, turkey sausage, and ham with coffee and apple juice. Sorry there's no picture. But here's Mike getting his breakfast on.

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    Then we trekked east to Jacksonville Beach.

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    I thought the bridge over the dune would be a good photo op.

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    The beachfront facing south.

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    The beachfront facing north, except there's a bass player in the way.

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    If you walk north for about a week I think you'll make it to Atlantic City. Here I am getting my feet wet in the Atlantic Ocean. It's just a wet as the Pacific but the water is warmer here.

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    The keyboard player got a little sun this morning.

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    Here's Mike. We had a nice walk along the beach collecting shells.

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    Then we headed back to the hotel. There are lots of cute shops and eateries around here.

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    Here we are jaywalking across Third Street near Beach Blvd.

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    I liked this magical squid mural.

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    We walked by a Catholic grade school and I thought this fountain was precious.

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    We made our way back to our temporary residence.

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    Now I'm going to nap, shower, eat, and put on a show! I'll be back later. Thanks for hanging out with me.

    EDIT: I didn't show you the sea shells I collected. I'll bring them home for my daughter.

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    Thank you for your indulgence,

    BassCliff
     
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  9. mwbonsall

    mwbonsall Supporting Member

    Aug 2, 2000
    Casa Grande, Arizona
    Thanks Cliff. This is an amazing gig and report!

    Mark
     
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  10. dbase

    dbase Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 3, 2008
    South Jersey, USA..
    I think you are actually enjoying yourself on this working vacation.... ;)
     

  11. As my GF says
    "Like a bunch of gypsies on the highway"!
    Great stuff Cliff
    The line is "Like a band of gypsies we go down the highway". ;) It's total fun this week! (Along with some hard work. This is real show-business stuff.)

    She likes to mess up lyrics. She is funny that way. You should hear her "Amarillo by morning" and somehow in John Denver's "County road" she mixes in the Lyrics for the Beach boy's Kokomo
    :roflmao:
     
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  12. BassCliff

    BassCliff

    May 17, 2012
    So. Cal.
    Hi,

    Fracturing the lyrics can be pretty funny. Sometimes T-Willie, when doing Lee Greenwood's "God Bless The USA" he will sing "...and I had to start again with just my children and your wife...". :p

    We're heading out to sing for our supper in about a half hour. I noticed that a couple of my older threads have popped back up. I'll try to get to those questions tonight. I appreciate all you guys taking this trip with me. :)


    Thank you for your indulgence,

    BassCliff
     
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  13. :smug: I like those lyrics!
     
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  14. tjh

    tjh

    Mar 22, 2006
    Minnesota
    Cliff, when were you in the Air Force, what years?

    I have ran across a few fellow 'Airmen' on here ... just found out that TB'er Nightman was stationed at the same base in Thailand during the Viet Nam era just about the same time I was there ...
     
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  15. 74hc

    74hc

    Nov 19, 2015
    Sunny California
    I see you properly documented your trip to FL now, but man, couldn't you have gotten closer for that shot? :D

    Hey, I think you mean post-vietnam era in terms of both draft and fall of Saigon? Probably by a whisker for the last one.
     
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  16. dbase

    dbase Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 3, 2008
    South Jersey, USA..
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  17. BassCliff

    BassCliff

    May 17, 2012
    So. Cal.
    Hello friends,

    It is a special gig. I don't think these folks see entertainment like this very often. Hey, it's just me, ya know? I play bars and concerts in the park. These good people are so appreciative of the work we are doing, it's amazing. I am so humbled that they enjoy it so much. A lot of the crowd is older but that just makes it more special. They can't travel very far and they like the fact that we have come to them.

    It's more vacation than work, really. Except for Saturday. We have two full shows tomorrow at 1:15 and 7:50 PM. That's right, four whole sets with a four hour break between sets two and three. We'll have time to come back to the hotel for a nap. I'm sure this old man will need it. ;)

    I was stationed at March Air Base between 1977 and 1980, a short, undistinguished military career.

    I missed the Viet Nam draft by a couple of years but had to register for active duty. I ended up volunteering anyway because I needed a job.

    Hey, guess what? I had a gig tonight. I took a few pictures. We arrived at the venue so we could have supper before the shows. I took this while I placed my gear on stage. It would be another near capacity crowd.

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    Here's a view of the stage from the back of the house on the FOH soundman side.

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    Tonight I had the chicken and pasta, chowder, and triple chocolate cake. It was terrific. This was a lot of food.

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    Even after a cup of coffee I needed my ROCKSTAR to help me through the evening. Not only is it an energy boost, it's an ego boost as well!

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    I stuck my phone out from behind the curtain. This is Craig, one of the owners, the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet, and the hardest working club owner I've ever met. I saw Craig moving chairs, carrying dirty dishes, toting water, and doing what it take to make his place run. He's doing the announcements tonight and introducing the acts.

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    Here we are, ready to take the stage, the True Willie Band with Corrie as Reba.

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    I gave my phone to Dave's wife to take pictures out front. When Dave raises his stick like that it's to let the FOH guy know that we are ready to start the show.

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    When we get the high sign from FOH we start making noise. Reba comes in with a bang and starts the show with "I Can't Even Get The Blues No More".

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    Hey, this is not a bad view of Reba.

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    The spotlight is so bright that in most of the pictures the star is washed out. But here are a few of the best ones that Mrs. Drummer took from her vantage point.

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    Let's zoom in and crop a little.

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    I got a quick shot of T-Willie on stage during an intro when I wasn't playing.

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    Then I did not take any pictures at the meet-and-greet session afterwards. So many people were so appreciative that I felt humbled. I'm glad my feeble efforts brought them some joy.

    OK, we've got two shows tomorrow. We've got wheels up at noon so I'm gonna get horizontal. Thanks for looking!


    Thank you for your indulgence,

    BassCliff
     
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2017
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  18. Bassed in NZ

    Bassed in NZ ...in search of the impeccable groove...

    Feb 22, 2008
    Auckland, New Zealand
    Epic trip and report Cliff - thanks for sharing man!
     
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  19. growlypants

    growlypants

    Nov 10, 2012
    Atlanta
    (OOOOHH - Triple Chocolate Cake!!!). Good luck today with both shows!!
     
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  20. 74hc

    74hc

    Nov 19, 2015
    Sunny California
    I missed the draft by a few years as well. We use to sit around at lunch in junior high and high school and trade stratiges for getting out of the draft, and talk about going to Canada. We were living well-off base in San Diego north county at the time. But being in a military family, I went along even though I knew well enough that I would join up, not dodge. My private issue was whether to risk and see what my lottery number for my birthdate, or enlist prior.

    The last three years of the draft, my birthdate always had a low number, usually in the 30's and 40's. Usually, if one had a lottery number in the single or double digit, it's assured of getting called and inducted.

    In the late sixties, my father was stationed in Japan and we lived in the Kanto Mura housing annex (AF base). Families would lose their fathers, being shot down, and KIA, MIA, or POW routinely. I had to live through that in the next duty station as my father was active over in Vietnam during the war.
     
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