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Behringer Eurorack MX2004A

Discussion in 'Recording Gear and Equipment [BG]' started by CrawlingEye, Nov 6, 2001.


  1. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    Ok, my brother's friend has a Behringer mixer, I believe it's one model up, and they can do nothing but rave about it, and how they're better than Mackie.

    I'm curious if this would be sufficient for decent home recordings. (going from mixer to sound card)

    My brother's band's a techno band, so I'm asking because I'm not quite sure if a mixer will record a synth/drum machine type instrument differently than it'll record a guitar/bass/drum.

    I figure the 20 channels would be great for recording, it'll give me more to play with.
    (5 for the drums, 3 for bass, one for guitar)

    Any opinions on Behringer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
     
  2. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
    The preamps in Eurorack mixers have a very bad reputation over at www.homerecording.com, while not quite as many complain on the Mackie's. I've also heard that people have had reliability issues with Behringer products. I have no first-hand experience myself, but doesn't it make an old (?) saying come to mind: "you get what you pay for"?

    Remember that if you go straight from a mixer to a consumer grade, two-channel sound card you will have to mix the song BEFORE you record it: not much multitrack post-production will be possible since it's already a mixed down stereo track. Kind of defeats the purpose with recording onto a computer with its outstanding editing capabilities. For instance, there will be no way to pick out a single instrument and add effects afterwards. Could be really tedious to get it right but it's by no means impossible to do.
     
  3. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    Thanks, Oysterman.
    I intend on upgrading my soundcard around christmas time. My brother has a list of good sound cards for $300, that are made specifically for recording.

    I'm also ordering from Musiciansfriend.com so I doubt that anything will go bad, that I can't return it for.

    I'm just looking for something that "works" for recording, and will also suffice in a rackmount, with a poweramp, for a Pa.

    Does anyone have personal experience regarding the quality they record in?
     
  4. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
    If you could do with 8 simultaneously recorded channels (simultaneously recorded I said, there's virtually no limit on the overdubs :D), I'd HIGHLY recommend saving some money and get either the M-Audio Delta 1010 ($599 at MF) package or the Aardvark Direct Pro Q10 ($749 at MF, which also includes Cakewalk PA9 multitrack software!). These packages contain a sound card and a breakout box with 8 XLR/line inputs, and they have much better quality preamps than Eurorack mixers. Yes, it's more money, but if you get a package such as this you won't need a mixer at all, and you have a great quality recording setup!

    Have a look in any case:

    http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/delt1010.htm

    http://www.aardvark-pro.com/direct_pro_q10.html
     
  5. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    I don't think I could swing that much...
    $600 between now and christmas is about all I can really swing... Is it an ok mixer? If not, any other suggestions? I'd rather record as a band, rather than over dubbing. Also, if I buy a $350 soundcard that's intended to be used for recording, I'm sure it'll come with over dubbing software. Even if not, my brother has a program, which I'm sure he'd give me. :)

    Do you think the behringer, and soundcard would be a decent route?
     
  6. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
    To be honest, I don't. If you have $600, I'd say spend it on the 1010 package instead. And until you have money for proper multitracking software, well, there are always ways... ;) like your brother, or dare I say, the Internet? :eek:

    PIRACY IS ILLEGAL! THOU SHALT NOT STEAL SOFTWARE!

    There, good to have that one done with. :D
     
  7. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany


    The Delta 1010 is bundled with Emagic Logic Delta, which should be more than sufficient.
     
  8. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
    Would that be a "customized" version of MicroLogic? If so, I've used that one for a while too. No track inserts? Fixed 3-band EQ with sweepable mids? "More than sufficient" isn't exactly what I'd call it!
     
  9. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    It's sufficient for starting out, I meant.
     
  10. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
    True.
     
  11. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    Will the behringer and a soundcard get me a clear recording?

    Honestly, as silly as it seems, I'm trying to stay away from overdubbing.

    I know my brother has the software on a burnt cd.
    I have no clue if it's piracy.

    However, his friend who has one model up of the Behringers claims that he has never had a problem with it... That's what turned me on to them. I know I should take opinions with "a grain of salt."

    Although, the kid that's giving the opinion has been using it for a few years now, and also rarely gives biased opinions.

    If this won't be sufficient in getting a decent recording, do any of you have an idea what would, that would seem to facilitate my needs?

    Thanks, again. :)
     
  12. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
    If you really need 3 tracks for bass (mic, DI, and...?), keep in mind that you have to set the levels right BEFORE you record it, i.e. BEFORE you hear how it actually sounds! If it ends up sounding crap, you'd have to reiterate the process of setting the levels and redo the ENTIRE performance of the WHOLE BAND, not only your own performance. If the same thing was done in a multitracking environment, you'd mix the song AFTER it was recorded, so if your 3 bass levels are set incorrectly it will take a couple of seconds to adjust them and you're done!

    I'm just trying to save you some (a whole lot!) trouble in your home recording ventures, please understand that.
     
  13. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    2 mic's, one for my 15" and one for my 4x10", plus DI.

    I could always do a sound check, with a mic, before actually recording it though, couldn't I?

    I understand this, but I'd rather have maybe 5 redo's, and have it all done at once, than say 5 redo's on each instrument.

    Sounds convienent, BUT (heh) I want to double a mixer as a Pa, with a power amp, rather than having to buy both...
    Is there any way that I could get perhaps atleast a 12 channel mixer that's decent (I'm a newbie at the recording stuff, so I'm not "up to date" with good mixers, or anything that's not so expensive) and not too expensive?

    I only have maybe $600 to spend... With the way it seems, you're steering me toward spending $600 on each component...

    I understand, and appreciate it a WHOLE lot.
    The over dubbing is probably more efficient, but I'd rather just have the band get it down as a whole...

    Even if this isn't a good solution, I don't have the $$$ for what you suggested... I only have about $300 right now, and I don't know what else I could get that would prove itself as efficient as that... Using my original plan, I intended on about $300 more for X-mas (for the sound card).


    help? :(
     
  14. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
    I'm steering you towards spending $600 for a COMPLETE PC recording package which will do you a lot more good than a $300 mixer and a $300 card used for the same purpose: to record music onto your PC! It's not "each component", it's the ONLY component!
     
  15. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    The Delta 1010 looks in my price range, now that I actually looked... How many tracks can it record at once?
     
  16. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
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  17. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    Yuck, 2 lenses = 2 tracks? :D ;)

    One other thing I just noticed, that seems interesting... You had been mentioning "Logic" software...

    Musicians Friend has an EWS88MT Multitracking Sound Card for $399.99, which includes a 20 track simultaneous mixer... (which comes with logic software, so it seems)

    Is that worth considering?

    I just ran it by my mom, and if I get the other one, It'll be all I'll get for christmas, and I'll still have to pay all my $265's worth...
     
  18. Alright, i'm kinda jumping in on the middle, but i'm gonna do it anyways. Let me just give you another example of why you'll want independent tracks for recording each instrument.

    The say you discribed your plan is, you connect all of the instruments in, and then you plug the mixer into the recorder (computer, tape deck whatever). Now you say that you're not gonna get a special recording sound card, therefore, all of your recording goes to two tracks Left and right. Bass, guitar drums, vocals, all must be recorded at once if you want to do it that way, and then they all will be set at the recorded volumes, tones, and if theres a mistake the mistake is stuck there, unless everyone redoes the whole song. If you record with everyone with independent recording tracks, say you want more bass, you turn up the bass, less guitar, turn down guitar.

    Even if you do do a sound check before you record though headphones, you're gonna need a WHOLE lot of cable, because unless the room is sound proof, the live sound is going to mix with the sound coming from the headphones, and give you a biased opinion on a single track. There will almost always be a problem like that. You need to have a sound proof room for this to work.

    My recomendation is to start saving your pennys more untill you can afford good stuff, because if you buy satisfactory stuff now, you might end up regretting not saving it up. Dont sell yourself short, because in the long run you'll probably end up buying hte stuff you originaly wanted to buy but didnt want to wait that long. You may say now that you dont want to do any over dubbing, but what if you do if you're tired of re-recording everyone because of one small slip in drums bass or guitar? Or what if the guitar doesnt come out as thick as you planned? you cannot just duplicate the guitar track, and add it, automaticly thickening it, you're stuck wiht the sound you've got. Consider ALL factors before you make a buy, its worth it in the long run.
     
  19. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    Thanks, for both the responses...
    Although, if someone could help me out with this:

    "Musicians Friend has an EWS88MT Multitracking Sound Card for $399.99, which includes a 20 track simultaneous mixer... (which comes with logic software, so it seems)

    Is that worth considering? "

    I think you skipped over it, muttluk. :)

    I'm not trying to ask every question possible... Just curious if there's a deal to be had.

    I'm not looking for something that's incredible.
    I just want something that suffices, and isn't horrible. :)
     
  20. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
    If you buy the EWS88MT, you'd still need preamps to bring up the input levels. You'd have to buy them separately, or buy a mixer and use its preamps. I know that you immediately think of the Behringer again, but using the cheap-ass Eurorack mixer preamps with a top-grade card like the EWS88MT, is doing yourself and the card a major disservice. IMO.

    A stupid, 4 AM analogy: A Porsche with flat tires is still a Porsche, but it's no fun to drive and doesn't behave well on the road. Of course, you could later on inflate the tires and have an excellent car, but the roads you'd have to travel before that happens will be a pain. I would prefer buying a "lesser" car, say a SAAB, with inflated tires.

    See? Told you it was stupid.