Behringer XR18 EQ & Connection Help

Discussion in 'Live Sound [BG]' started by Bassguy87, Jun 24, 2019.

  1. Hi,

    Just wondering if anyone has experience with this desk in a live situation?

    I have the genzler magellan 800 and Barefaced BB2 on stage and use various pedals including a diamond bass compressor. I've been using the Genzler di straight into the XR18 (Pre).

    FOH we have 2 x RCF 732s and 2 x Alto Subs. Our Drummer controls all of the sound via the Ipad. We mic up vocals, guitar, bass, kick and 1 x overhead mic for most gigs.

    1) Is this the best way to connect the bass to the desk?

    2) Are there any EQ tips you could give me that have worked for you?

    Thanks
     
  2. Geri O

    Geri O Endorsing Artist, Mike Lull Guitars and Basses Gold Supporting Member

    Sep 6, 2013
    Florence, MS
    Fine on the Genzler DI straight to the XR18.
     
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  3. s0c9

    s0c9 Supporting Member

    Jan 9, 2014
    Ft.Worth/Dallas
    1964 Audio artist, Fractal Audio Beta Tester
    What @Geri O said :) :bassist:

    EQ tips? Gonna depend on the room. . I prefer to send (and receive when running FOH) a clean FLAT bass, so I can adjust it for the room. Bass/Kick are the hardest ranges to clean, separate and make space for in the mix.
     
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  4. Wasnex

    Wasnex

    Dec 25, 2011

    Do you mean EQ with your amp or EQ with the Mixer? My personal preference is to send the Board a Pre DI signal, so there is no EQ applied. This gives the audio tech a blank pallet to work with. This makes sense because often the main mix requires a bit different EQ than is used for on stage monitoring. Also the frequency response of PA speakers is often very different from musical instrument speakers. IMHO, since your drummer is running sound, ask what he/she wants.

    The monitor sends on mixing consoles can be configured different ways. My personal preference is usually for the monitor sends to be setup Pre EQ. The idea here is the audio tech may have to do some really serious carving to get the bass to lay well in the main mix. Often with a small system, your amp will pretty much dominate so the audio tech will only put a little bit of mids into the system to increase clarity. But if someone on stage needs bass in their monitor they need more of the lows. Since the lows have been EQ'd out for the main mix, you can't use a post EQ setting on the monitor send. Flat is by no mean ideal...running audio involves quite a bit of compromise. There are ways around this problem with a larger, more capable mixer, but they are rarely used because they add complication and confusion.
     
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  5. s0c9

    s0c9 Supporting Member

    Jan 9, 2014
    Ft.Worth/Dallas
    1964 Audio artist, Fractal Audio Beta Tester
    I missed that part of the OP.. IME - the drummer should be the LAST person in any band to be running sound :rollno:, unless someone is telling you what to do.
    Otherwise, the drums will occlude anything else.
    S/He probably owns the PA ??
     
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  6. Yes he owns the PA. But I'm taking control of my mix going forward:D
     
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  7. s0c9

    s0c9 Supporting Member

    Jan 9, 2014
    Ft.Worth/Dallas
    1964 Audio artist, Fractal Audio Beta Tester
    I thought that might be the case.. but honestly, both as a bassist and a freelance FOH guy, the drummer should never be the one mixing a band from stage. I could list 1000 reasons, but the main ones are logical.
    Nothing but drums, terrible location to listen to a band mix, and so on..
     
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  8. Wasnex

    Wasnex

    Dec 25, 2011

    I used to run sound from stage while playing bass. We did a long and extensive sound check before the gig with the mixing console out in front of the band. Most of the sound check was done without bass. When it came time to set the level of the bass, I went up on stage and the keyboard player dialed me into the mix. The final part of sound check involved moving the mixer to the stage and dialing in my monitors. I set my monitors post fader so they would track any changes I made to the main mix.

    Hard to imagine it working this way with a drummer running sound.
     
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  9. Yeah it's tricky. He'll basically go out front and do vocals and guitars then I'll play his kit for him to eq. I've bought a longer jack cable now so I can be out front listening to the whole mix.
     
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  10. Wasnex

    Wasnex

    Dec 25, 2011

    IMHO having him EQ and mix the drums while you play them is not a good strategy. It's unlikely that you will hit the drums the same way he does.
     
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  11. Ulf_Hansson

    Ulf_Hansson

    Apr 15, 2014
    In this case it is only said to be "kick and 1 x overhead" (I guess only the BD has to be tweaked), so it shouldn't be much of problem.
    But in general I agree with you, the touch of a drummer is a delicate thing.
     
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