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Bergantino B|Amp and Mesa Subway D800 plus: how do they compare?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by philthygeezer, Apr 26, 2018.


  1. philthygeezer

    philthygeezer

    May 22, 2002
    Looking at getting a new head for a pair of GS112s (One has an Eminence 2512 II neo in it). How do these amps compare? What would you do?
     
  2. revroy

    revroy Supporting Member

    why have you focused on these two? Understanding that will help folk give you better help
     
  3. philthygeezer

    philthygeezer

    May 22, 2002
    Well, I was looking for something with a bit more power that could broaden capabilities from my Little Mark II. I like finger style playing with warmth, clarity and good control from pillowy to growly. The Berg seems like a good way to go with internal effects and tuner. I've read the D800 comparison with Thunderfunk here and think it might succeed my TFB420 in a good way. I love the way the TFB sounds and how easy it is to get what I want with the timbre knob. I am considering the TFB 800, but the cost is pretty high so I am feeling out other options.
     
  4. revroy

    revroy Supporting Member

    they're both great amps although the DSP of the B|Amp makes it very different than the Mesa. The Forte is a closer comparison to the Mesa. In that category you might also consider the Genzler Magellan 800, Darkstar 900, Trickfish, and the DNA... maybe even the Quilter. They have slightly different feature sets and personalities. The current generation of top end class D amps are all great heads.
     
  5. nostatic

    nostatic

    Jun 18, 2004
    Lompoc, CA
    Endorsing Artist: FEA Labs
    I have the Forte and D800 that I rotate gigging with. More similar than different. Berg is maybe a hair more "open" sounding, by contrast you could say the Mesa is a bit more "warm". I typically don't like overly thick heads (e.g. TH500). Mesa is hard to beat for the price imho.
     
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  6. 57pbass

    57pbass Supporting Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    Bayside, New York
    Did you mean DarkGlass 900?
     
  7. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Retired Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    I own both and they're somewhat different, tone-wise. The D800+ is somewhat voiced to the mids which, to my ear, thickens up the bottom a little. It's not overwhelming, though, and the EQ section is pretty versatile.

    The B|Amp starts out with a "clean slate" as far as voicing. It accurately reproduces whatever you put into it - it's not inherently "vintagey" or "tubey" although those characteristics are available through the onboard effects and compression. If it sounds "sterile" to you, it's because you're used to amps voiced to someone's taste.
     
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  8. SJan3

    SJan3

    Dec 8, 2010
    Ct.
    I'd get a Tonehammer 500.
    Not sure of your tone goals but I find the Tonehammer to be a good match with the GS112s as they tame the midrange. Sounds great with a Jazz Bass!
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2018
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  9. revroy

    revroy Supporting Member

    sorry, yes
     
  10. philthygeezer

    philthygeezer

    May 22, 2002
    Thanks! I looked at cabs too and it seems like a wash between subway and HDN if I replaced the GS112s? Maybe the HDN210 is a bit more neutral than the Subway 210. I couldn’t tell from searching.

    Likely I will keep my GS112s and see how it goes. Sounds like the Mesa head would pair a little better with the stock cab, but the other is flatter with the delta lite in it anyway. I bet one could dial in compensation for the mid scoop with either head anyhow.

    Is the EQ in the B|amp more precise ie set the frequency and the adjustment numerically? Same with the HPF? Is there an advantage to the precision or does it even work that way?

    Which amp is more reliable?
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2018
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