I would like to send the output from a Avalon U5 to two bass amp input. U5 has 1/4" TS output (front), both line & mic level balanced outs, and a 'headphone' out. What is the BEST way to send the output to 2 amps? 1/4" TS splitter on front to 2 separate bass amp inputs? 1/4" TS on front to 1 amp, and balanced XLR to 1/4" TRS to bass amp input (1/4" TS)? Or use the headphone out as a 2nd output?
I would split the single 1/4" TS out to two bass amp inputs. The XLR out would possibly go to FOH. The headphone jack is pretty dissimilar to the 1/4" TS output in level and impedance.
What @Geri O said. One potential problem with using the U5 live is it should not be exposed to Phantom power. It will likely work for awhile, but not indefinitely. Here a relevant thread: Device that defeats 48v phantom power?
Ya know, after all these years of doing production, I should know whether the Avalon can tolerate an accidental hit of phantom power, but I don’t. I will find out and report back, unless someone beats me to it. I do know the REDDI will tolerate phantom power all day. Not much help here, eh?....
OMG!! Wasnex, I fired off another email to Avalon asking them the same question earlier today! I'll bet those guys are gonna think "Does this clown have no memory at all??".... I certainly forgot about that post and thread, I didn't look at it again until just now. Well, there ya go. No thanks to me...
What bass amps ? Is there a way to use them in a master and slave config? I recall asking Avalon the Phantom power question and being told they weren’t sure. Which I though was a really, really lame answer.... I mean customer service / support can you just ask the EE that designed the thing ? Other than that I liked my U5 a lot.
I have been using the U5 output to a Mesa Buster ’effect return’, to get a great, clean tone. I was thinking it would be nice to mix the Busters built-in preamp signal with the U5’s. There is a few ways, I guess - split the signal from the bass to each input, split the U5 output, or since the U5 has a line level balanced XLR out, maybe I could use that.
I am not generally a fan of running a preamp into another preamp, but the U5 has a max input of +24dBu, or 400W if you push the Speaker button. You should be able to feed it with the Effects Send.
Yes, plenty loud. I was interested in mixing the Buster’s preamp signal because it gets ’dirty’ fairly quickly, which is why I started using the U5 in the first place. Thinking it could be an easy way to mix some hair into it.
IMHO better safe than sorry. There are lot's of threads on the web that say the U5 will eventually fail if fed phantom power. Here's a post that explains Avalon U5 and phantom power? I suggest using an inline 1:1 isolation transformer to as a fail safe to protect from accidental phantom power exposure. I doubt you will notice any signal degradation while doing live work.
Okay so in reference to your other thread, it sounds like the PI and Output section of you Buster are healthy and the low power problem is occurring earlier in the signal path. FYI the PI is V3. Have you tried rolling a new 12AX7 tube through V1 and V2? Just out of curiosity, are you running the Master volume wide open? If you want the amp to be as loud and clean as possible, turn up the Master and turn down the Volume. The Volume is really preamp Gain.
Keep in mind the Buster's Effects Loop is Parallel and there is a Blend Control on the back that allows you to set it between 10% and 100%. If you want to run the U5 in the Effects Loop, I believe you want to turn the Blend control to 100%.
I haven't needed a ’loud’ rig in quite some time, so the buster was fine. Rehearsing with a loud drummer, I just couldn't reach a loud enough, clean level. (so mixing the signals is most a curiosity) Solution: U5 to Poweramp - don't have to turn the master past 45% for a sweet level. Sounds killer for rehearsals, but now represents a pretty expensive bundle of equipment to take out. V1 is Mesa branded 12AX7 that I put in when I got it about 2 years ago. Maybe the Mesa tube is too much gain, I could sub something else there.
Usually tube preamps have at least one gain stage before the Volume. As long as you can play your bass without causing this gain stage to distort, I doubt the tube has too much gain. I don't have one of these amps so I don't know what the typical settings are, but I am under the impression that it is primarily a clean machine. If you can't drive the output section to it's max clean level with the Master volume maxed out, then something is wrong. Since you have pretty much confirmed V3 and the output tubes are working fine, I suggest rolling a fresh tube into V1 and V2. It's possible the tubes 1 and 2 just need to be reseated. You could try carefully working them in and out of the tube sockets a couple of times. It's a mechanical connection between the tube pins and the tube sockets. Over time oxidation can build up or intermittent contact can cause the formation of carbon deposits. Take a look at the tube pins to see if there are any black marks that indicate arcing. If there is, then the tube sockets need to be retensioned.
Excellent point, I will definitely take a look at what is up with V1/V2. While I did obtain the Buster in ’used’ condition, I never would have considered it a ’clean machine’ - so I understand your indicating that if I'm getting a lack of clean volume - which isn't in issue when using a different pre - so, that could be a symptom of a deficit in the Busters preamp.
I referred to Avalon directly: Audio Rehab handles their tech questions and repairs. Very helpful Audio Rehab: Pro Audio Equipment Repair for Los Angeles #audiorehabcanfixit Greg Granieri provided the following, thoughtful and detailed response: ” The Mesa amp power-amp in or effects return is designed to accept a line level signal. So use the output of the U5 line level to go to the effects return. That is perfect. The only issue I can see is that you might distort the effects return. It may sound good, but the effects return audio path goes through transistors and possibly a chip before it goes to the tube circuit…I can check my Buster schematic on Monday when I get back to the shop. Anyway, I’m thinking that too strong a signal will eventually ruin the effects return stage of the Buster. As an alternative, you can come out of the mic level output of the U5. It is a smaller signal, but the then you can use the effects return gain control to boost the audio path through the driver and output stage of the Buster. In this way, you are taking the small clean signal from the U5 and letting the amp drive the output as it was designed. When I say small, I don’t mean ‘without balls’. I’m thinking that you could drive the U5 harder…letting the U5 develop the tone and gain, then injecting this sound into the return of the amp. Ok so to use both line level and mic level outputs, I would take the U5 mic level output to the Mesa input and the line level output of the U5 to the effects return. Then you can blend the Mesa with the U5.”