Best way to use 3 cabs

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Rea, Dec 22, 2014.

  1. Rea

    Rea

    Dec 10, 2014
    Brooklyn
    Hi-

    Here is the config i want to use:

    2 X 112 cabs(mine are rates 8ohm)
    1 X 210 cab (mine's rated 8ohm)

    At the moment the head im using does 4ohm minimum, so all three are no go as is.

    Whats the different workarounds?

    -Parallel/series action?

    -2 ohm amp?(this one is also not ideal as i get 2.67ohm from all 3... i heard that might "confuse" the amp..?)

    - change the homage of the 210 from 8 to 4ohm and use the 3 for a total of 2 ohm...?

    - 2 channel amp--- is there an amp where each channel can individually choose between 4 or 8 ohm without affecting the ohm rating of the other channel?

    Thanks for the advice!
     
  2. Argassab

    Argassab

    Dec 16, 2014
    Cayman Islands
    LH1000 or a poweramp.
     
  3. Rea

    Rea

    Dec 10, 2014
    Brooklyn
    Was thinking LH1000;)
     
  4. Argassab

    Argassab

    Dec 16, 2014
    Cayman Islands
    GAS list:bassist:
     
  5. mbelue

    mbelue

    Dec 11, 2010
    You 8ohm 2x10 cannot be 4 ohms with those speakers. It would need different speakers.

    Why are you trying to use 3 cabinets?

    Your better off selling one or two and buying a cabinet is the appropriate size.

    Do you like your cabinets so much is worth always taking multiple trips on load-in/load-out?

    Do you hate your current amp that much?
     
  6. Get a car in B1000 or similar out put stage and call it a day.
     
  7. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    And cut wattage? I don't think so! That makes adding the third cab a lateral move.

    Won't confuse the amp at all as long as it's 2 ohm capable, but would result in a volume imbalance between the two 112's and the single 210. Stuff like that I find very irritating.

    Ohmage. And yes, TB ninnies, "ohmage" is a word. Unless your cab specifically says you can change it between 8 and 4 ohms (I believe Hartke makes one you can do this with), you can't change it to 4 ohms. However, it would be a little closer to ideal since there wouldn't be as much of a volume imbalance.

    Yes, this is an option.

    Personally, I'd use either the two 112's or the 210 by themselves. I don't like how mismatched rigs sound, and there seems to be a fair amount of hoop jumping needed for you to make a rig like that work as it stands now.
     
  8. Rea

    Rea

    Dec 10, 2014
    Brooklyn
    This is how it evolved:

    First i had this GS112 that sounds very sweet but lacked mid punch for my taste. So i was looking to add another cab and on a hunch went for a GS210, which did exactly what i wanted- added that mid punch and amazing presence i lacked.

    Then out of curiosity i brought in another GS112 to compare the 2 pair options- 2x112 or 210+112.

    So as i thought originally i was right, the 210 paired with the 112 is amazing and the 2x112 OTOH is a beautiful, warm augmentation of the single 112, but without a change in character really(what a surprise)... it does have amazing warmth though which i feel is a tiny bit lacking in the, otherwise amazing, 112+210 combi.

    So now im pretty sure that 2x112+210 is my rig. Only question is how to achieve that.
    Im getting to the realization that 2 completely separate amps are the way to go.

    The reason im not going for the Schreoder kindda mixed cab, or even a 212 cab is that i need modularity.
     
  9. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Nothing wrong with modularity. And I would totally agree that two separate amps are the way to go for what you want. You could do it with a 2-channel amp, but for best results, it's best that each side has its own preamp, and most 2-ch amps share the preamp.
     
  10. orangejulius3

    orangejulius3 Supporting Member

    May 6, 2013
    La Habra CA
    GK 800RB amp

    It has a low side for a minimum 300watts @ 4 ohms
    It has a hi side for a minimum 100watts @ 8 ohms

    It has three output quarter inch
    Each cab will see at least 100watts
     
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  11. Rea

    Rea

    Dec 10, 2014
    Brooklyn
    Yep! your right. Anything else out there that can do this?
     
  12. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    A 2 ohm capable amp works perfectly with 2.67 ohm loads. Your informant is confused/misinformed.

    All 2 channel amps allow 4 or 8 ohm loads independently on each channel. Many will even handle 2 ohms independent of the other channel.

    Are you stacking it all vertically? Accounting for the EQ differences between cabs could be done with a 2 channel power amp and a pair of preamps. Personally, I have found these kind of rigs rarely are worth the bother. Why not get a pair of 212's and call it a day?
     
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  13. JACink

    JACink

    Mar 9, 2011
    Spain
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  14. Rea

    Rea

    Dec 10, 2014
    Brooklyn
  15. Bassmec

    Bassmec

    May 9, 2008
    Ipswich UK
    Proprietor Springvale Studios
    Mixing Speakers!?.
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    In my multiple roles, as a clairvoyant I can forsee a great deal of criticism occurring in this thread in the near future but as I am also the "Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla" I can absolve you of all sin for a small consideration.:)
    As long as you stack all cabs vertically and use a two channel amp with seperate Eq and volume for each cab type.
     
  16. Rea

    Rea

    Dec 10, 2014
    Brooklyn
    Because i want the sound of a 210 with my 12's
     
  17. JACink

    JACink

    Mar 9, 2011
    Spain
    Could you split your signal and run the 2x112 from your current head, and add a micro head or something to run the 210? That would give you separate volume control.
     
  18. Rea

    Rea

    Dec 10, 2014
    Brooklyn
    BTW- Once and for all PLEASE lets not go there again.

    And BTW, I spoke to Dave from Aguilar, he said that mixing cabs is totally cool, common and works great more often then not, and that the only "Scientific" caveat is the difference in speaker sensitivity, but if you don't get a phase cancellation then your all good and all the "rules" makes him lough...
    Thats from the designer himself who do this for a living, and who's gear most "don't mix" gurus use to begin with..

    My comment: Phase cancellation is basic eq, for people who know how eq works... so even if it creates a certain phase cancellation, if you like that curve then its like using an eq- dont you use an eq..?

    .

    Can we put an end to this stupid debate? Im not here for that, im here for something else.
     
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  19. Rea

    Rea

    Dec 10, 2014
    Brooklyn
    Looks like thats where im heading! good point
     
  20. I build a speaker series patch box just for this problem. It will allow you to use three or four 8 ohm speaker cabinets and it puts an 8 ohm load on the amp - that is an example- it could be 4 ohm cabs or a mixture. It uses the same method as wiring individual drivers/speakers within a speaker cabinet except it is wiring the Speaker CABINETS in series. its a very simple box and I am trying to sell them on local craigslist- but no one understands what they are I guess. I use them all the time for my bands PA system. Perfect for using (4) 8 ohm monitors on the single 4 ohm minimum monitor out on an powered mixer amp.
    If you all think I can sell them here I will. its not really profitable- i sell them for $35. and parts cost me nearly 20 bucks
     

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