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Beyma 12P80Nd

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by ba55i5t, Jul 5, 2013.

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  1. Jul 5, 2013 #1
    ba55i5t

    ba55i5t

    May 24, 2006
    Hey folks,


    Just wondering if anyone has any experience with these drivers?

    Here are main specs:

    12" driver
    Rated impedance: 8 ohms
    Min impedance: 6.4 ohms
    700 W AES
    101dB SPL
    25-4000 hz
    Voice coil diameter - 100 mm
    BL Factor: 23.1 N/A
    X Damage: 52 mm
    Xmax: 7.5mm
    45 Hz fs
    Qms: 6.6
    Qes: 0.15
    Qts: 0.15
    Efficiency 5.4%
    Net weight: 12.32 lb

    Could only find them available for sale in one place and they were listed as $361/ea.

    http://www.europe-audio.com/Product.asp?Product_ID=7866

    I might end up using it as either an 8ohm 1x12 or a 4ohm 2x12 sometime in the future.

    Also, if anyone has experience with the 15" version, the 15P80Nd, I would like to hear about that as well.


    Thanks,

    ba55i5t
     
  2. Jul 5, 2013 #2
    gary m

    gary m

    Jan 17, 2011
    Mid -Atlantic
    Well...the xmax figure is impressive, but the price? -- ouch. The Beyma users I've talked to in the past seem impressed with the product, though I will admit I've never used them.

    I've always used Eminence speakers with good results -- maybe there's something in their lineup with similar specs?
     
  3. Jul 6, 2013 #3
    ba55i5t

    ba55i5t

    May 24, 2006
    Bump for more experience?

    Know it is an expensive driver, and I was impressed by the stats - just wanted to know what others have to say.

    I have also checked out the Eminence line - I saw lots of very impressive drivers, but this one really stuck out to me, since I could also use this speaker by itself for an awesome 1 cab solution.
     
  4. Jul 7, 2013 #4
    grey area

    grey area

    Sep 2, 2009
    almeria spain
    hi BA, i have 2 beyma 15s that i cant identify, did you get the spec for your driver off the driver its self,ie a label because i can only find the ohms printed on the cone on mine. i will have a micro check on mine but with a standard scan i have found no way to identify them. i only know they are old. thanks
     
  5. Jul 8, 2013 #5
    ba55i5t

    ba55i5t

    May 24, 2006
    Hey,


    Nope, got the specs off of the Beyma website and their datasheet.

    I really want to put these drivers into a cab - I know they're expensive, but others cabs with this much power handling and speaker quality are expensive as well. I could go the fEARful route, but I want something to be light - something around the 50ish lb mark. If I threw two of these drivers in, they'd account for about half of that weight, and it would be a massive 1400 W.

    Can't complain about that...

    And sorry, can't help identify your Beymas...I don't know enough about them yet. Pics?
     
  6. Jul 8, 2013 #6
    B-string

    B-string

    Nov 21, 2008
    Lake Havasu City, Az USA
    All I can offer is I am not believing the spec sheet.
     
  7. Jul 8, 2013 #7
    grey area

    grey area

    Sep 2, 2009
    almeria spain
    thanks ba, i will id these drivers one way or another even if it means pushing them a bit.
    cheers
     
  8. Jul 8, 2013 #8
    OldogNewTrick

    OldogNewTrick

    Dec 28, 2004
    Germany, EU
    4" voice coil, QTS of 0,15 and low VAS of 95,7 ltr all translate to me to a specialized driver meant for horn loading. Too highly damped for getting good bass response in a nEARful type of bass reflex cabinet.

    You should model the speaker, before you take the plunge.

    I trust Beyma's spec sheet. Beyma is a highly respected manufuacturer of premium drivers. No budget line here....
     
  9. Jul 8, 2013 #9
    grey area

    grey area

    Sep 2, 2009
    almeria spain
    this is one of mine ImageUploadedByTalkBass1373277772.686827.jpg ImageUploadedByTalkBass1373277790.368400.jpg
     
  10. Jul 8, 2013 #10
    Matthijs

    Matthijs Supporting Member

    Jul 3, 2006
    Amsterdam
    I did a search for you in German and French but only saw a lot of raving reviews from high end PA builders and even hifi DIY as a mid bass unit. No bass guitar use as far as I could see. Maybe ArjanK has some more info?
     
  11. Jul 8, 2013 #11
    AlexanderB

    AlexanderB

    Feb 25, 2007
    Sweden
    Would probably work very nicely in an EBS (extended bass shelf) type of enclosure. Then use a bit of LF boost to get the "bass shelf" up in level withe the rest of the register.

    Remember that TB has many US members that have less experience in European brands as Eminence is such a big actor in the American market. Compared to speakers from BMS, Beyma, Ciare etc, Eminence products are technically pretty un-impressive. I think most other manufacturers have woofers similar or better than the 3015LF, for instance. In the Pro Audio world, Beyma is considered a serious contender, while Eminence is more regarded as a budget brand.
     
  12. Jul 8, 2013 #12
    ba55i5t

    ba55i5t

    May 24, 2006
    This is one of the reasons why I wanted to do a search across the market - I want to get one of the best drivers, not just whatever is available at a budget price. The way I look at it, I'd rather be more than thrilled with my cab, even if I have to pay a little more for the drivers, build etc.

    AFAIK, the Eminence driver that came the closest in my search was the Kappalite 3015LF. It's a bit lighter, less xmax and less power handling though. Freq response is 40-4000hz, so that may be another option.

    Yeah I found out about the brand through looking at it from the mid bass section, thought it could potentially be useful for a driver due to the specs.

    I could also make this a two way cabinet and put a 6 in for extended midrange.


    Appreciate the feedback so far, keep it coming!
     
  13. Jul 9, 2013 #13
    ba55i5t

    ba55i5t

    May 24, 2006
    Bump for more exp. Really looking forward to putting one (or two) of this driver into a custom cab if possible
     
  14. Jul 9, 2013 #14
    Passinwind

    Passinwind I know nothing. Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    Sure you're not thinking of the non-LF 3015? The 3015LF is rated to 1.5K usable response, but it sucks badly even there without a big EQ tweak, in my experience. The published Xmax rating is also actually higher than that Beyma, but differing rating methods make that another can o' worms...;)
     
  15. Jul 9, 2013 #15
    ba55i5t

    ba55i5t

    May 24, 2006
    You're absolutely right, why I typed that in, I have no idea.

    As for the xmax rating...

    The 3015 - 5.9 mm
    http://www.eminence.com/pdf/kappalite-3015.pdf

    The 12P80nd - 7.5 mm
    http://profesional.beyma.com/ingles/pdf/12P80Nd.pdf

    And yes, the 3015LF does have a higher xmax rating indeed - 9.1mm

    Talk to me about different rating methods, I'm new to this and want to know as much as I can.

    I want a reason why I shouldn't use this speaker + a mid driver in a 2-way 1 cab solution. I want the ultimate mini-rig of doom. :bassist:
     
  16. Jul 9, 2013 #16
    AstroSonic

    AstroSonic

    Dec 10, 2009
    rural New Mexico
    Big +1 for this.

    A huge Xmax and high power rating do not in themselves make a good bass guitar driver.

    However, +1 to the OP for at least looking at other drivers besides the Kappalites (3012 &3015). There are other very good drivers.
     
  17. Jul 11, 2013 #17
    ba55i5t

    ba55i5t

    May 24, 2006
    Okay, what would the ideal QTS, VAs and voice coil size look like for a driver with this kind of sensitivity, power handling and xmax size? Or more generally, what is the range I should be looking at?

    I want to make a 2 way, 1 cab solution, with a 5 or 6" mid driver. In addition to this driver, I've also pulled these other two...one of which is a 15" and the other a 12". Are there any other drivers that anyone can suggest that come close to the specs I'm looking for?

    - high power handling
    - low weight (<20 lbs)
    - high xmax (and xdamage)
    - high sensitivity
    - good low end frequency response (atleast 40 hz)
    - can be any size driver, I'm not too picky about size

    Faital Pro 15fx560

    700 W
    99 SPL
    Weight 16.70
    Freq - 40 - 4000
    Fs 38 Hz
    Re 5.2 Ohm
    Qes 0.31
    Qms 6.76
    Qts 0.30
    Vas 143 dm^3 (5.05 ft^3)
    Sd 813 cm^2 (126 in^2)
    Xmax (4) 9.42 mm
    Xdamage (5) 21.8 mm
    Mms 115 g
    Bl 21.5 N/A
    Le 0.64 mH
    Mmd 100.7 g
    Cms 0.15 mm/N
    Rms 4.06 Kg/s
    Eta Zero 2.47 %
    EBP 123 Hz

    18 Sound 12nlw9300

    800W
    97SPL
    Weight 13.69
    Freq 45 - 3200 hz
    Fs 40 Hz
    Re 4,7 ohms
    Sd 0,053 sq.mt. (82,15 sq.in.)
    Qms 4,67
    Qes 0,25
    Qts 0,24
    Vas 87 lt. (3,07 cuft)
    Mms 72 gr. (0,16 lb)
    BL 18 Tm
    Linear Mathematical Xmax ±8mm (±0,31 in)
    Le (1kHz) 0,49 mH
    Ref. Efficiency [email protected] (half space) 95,4 dB


    Thanks TB
     
  18. Jul 11, 2013 #18
    Passinwind

    Passinwind I know nothing. Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    Take a look at the BMS 15N630. I have a pair in 1-15 cabs and a variety of top boxes with midrange drivers and/or tweeters, such as:

    1544_3p.jpg
     
  19. Jul 11, 2013 #19
    majortoby

    majortoby

    Jul 2, 2009
    Tampa, Fl USA
    Mr. Escher, your DIY work makes me feel very inadequate. :( That is all.
     
  20. Jul 11, 2013 #20
    Passinwind

    Passinwind I know nothing. Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    Funny, it often makes me feel that way too...;)

    But seriously, I've been doing this stuff for around 50 years and every time I take on a new challenge like woodworking or passive crossover design there's a new steep learning curve to tackle. Before we had the Interwebs so much of this stuff just felt like esoteric knowledge rather than science. That was kind of fun in its own way too though.
     
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