Box Patterns

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by werbo1, Aug 14, 2005.

  1. How can i get away from playing box patterned riffs?!
    Especially in minor grooves i need to learn how to incorporate other notes and maybe even switching positions, but i don't find switching positions really necessary.

    Or is the box pattern not even a big deal? With minor stuff only two notes aren't in the pattern, and i do play those (the 3rd and 6th scale steps), but most of the time i just ifnd myself using fifths and other box patterned notes to find a groove.

    when playing major stuff, i always try to go to a scale position, but its still hard to step away out of the box pattern of 1-3 1-3 2-3 because those ntoes are the mos timportant notes of the mode.

    HELP!!! in a nutshell, how cna i make more grooves and stuff off of unboxed patterned stuff and play while changing positions

    or does anyone have an example of stuff to help me write some grooves like that?
  2. Wrong Robot

    Wrong Robot Guest

    Apr 8, 2002
    put your fingers in places outside of or inside of the boxes. See what happens.
  3. Correlli


    Apr 2, 2004
    New Zealand
    Learn about Cadence.

    In plain english, cadence is all about correcting notes that Seem (sonicly) to not fit with the a given key.

    So when you play a 4 bar phase, which contains some notes that sound as though they don't fit, use cadence at the end of the phrase to "correct" the harmony.

    There four types, but the one I use the most is -

    Dominant to the Tonic

    This will finish the phrase quite nicely, and correct any "bad sounding" notes.

    And even if you don't play any "odd" notes, make sure you always finish the phrase on the Tonic.

    I'll post up an example tomorrow.
  4. thanks Kiwi, i briefly remember my music theory teacher talking about cadences but we never really got into the stuff. Anyways i'm just gonna start experimenting and see what happens
  5. Bassist4Life


    Dec 17, 2004
    Buffalo, NY
    You want to create grooves that aren't so boxed in? Try this...

    Put your bass down. Create a groove in your head. Hum it out loud until you know exactly how you want it to sound. Pick up your bass. Make it happen. You may have to move out of that boxed in position.

  6. Get comfortable with your scales and modes.

    And I really mean it when I say modes.
  7. :eyebrow:
  8. Yeah , i am really comfortable with scales but the modes i am comfortable with are mixo, aeolian, and ionian. You will notice, however most notes are in that box, so maybe its not a big deal. I'm still gonna try to move away from it
  9. WillPlay4Food

    WillPlay4Food Now With More Metal! Staff Member Supporting Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Orbiting HQ
    This is a great idea. I find that most grooves that I come up with in my head cover a 2 octave range. This will get you out of your box. :) Also try practicing 2 scale octaves or even better, going all the way up the neck. This will help you get more comfortable moving around on the neck.
  10. Correlli


    Apr 2, 2004
    New Zealand

    Just to follow up about cadence.

    The example below shows a 4 bar phrase in the key of C.

    In the third bar, I've augmented the D and F.

    These notes now become non-diatonic, so to resolve the harmony, I used full cadence in the following bar. You will see that the last two notes, are the dominant and tonic.


    To get away from "playing in the square", try diminishing and augmenting a few intervals. Produces some interesting sounds.
  11. dlloyd

    dlloyd zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Apr 21, 2004
    Cadences involve the entire harmony, not individual notes. A "perfect cadence" goes from the dominant chord to the tonic chord.

    What you've got in that example are chromatic approach tones. You could play a whole-note C in the fourth bar and it would resolve fine.

    (edit: actually, it wants to go to the D natural or E... point stands though, this is not a cadence in itself.)

    What's the context of the phrase?
  12. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing! ;)