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Boy Scouts

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by mike_v_s, Jul 27, 2005.

  1. It seems like they've had a rough patch here, lately. In the last six months they've had accusations of membership fraud, a national representative resign after some underage porn was found on his computer, 2 Scouts go missing in seperate incidents, and most recently, the four leaders who were electrocuted while setting up a tent at the National Jamboree. I don't have a related question, just observing the poor luck.

  2. I have a really snarky comment about that, but unfortunately it would probably get this moved to TPA.

  3. PM it.
  4. Squidfinger

    Squidfinger I wish I could sing like Rick Danko.

    Jan 7, 2004
    Shreveport LA
    I have nothing but respect for the Boy Scouts as I used to be one myself. But yeah, it does seem like they've hit a rough patch.

    I just chalk it up to the whole "world going to hell" thing we've been experiencing for the past few hundred years.
  5. xshawnxearthx


    Aug 23, 2004
    new jersey
    chalk it up to a few bad eggs ruining the dozen.
  6. Vorago

    Vorago (((o)))

    Jul 17, 2003
    Antwerp, Belgium
    How do you get electrocuted while setting up a tent? Where thet struck by lightening?

    If your dumb enough to run around in a storm with an iron pole in your hands, you shouldn't be a boyscout.
  7. From the picture I saw...tall tent (metal frame), low wires.

    Shawn: I read a few things after posting this thread and I'd have to agree but more specifically, it seems like the BSA professional side is giving the organization a bad name. (I got a link I'll PM, if interested)

  8. McHaven


    Mar 1, 2005
    its definetly gone to hell if they let my guitarist be an Eagle scout
  9. LajoieT

    LajoieT I won't let your shadow be my shade...

    Oct 7, 2003
    Western Massachusetts
    Eagle Scout here, and I can tell you a LOT of things wrong AND right about the Boy Scouts. First as for the recent incidents, the boys getting lost in not an unusual occurance, it happens quite regularly, but the recent cases came around the same time as some other high profile dissapearances (Aruba, etc.) which made them more "newsworthy" than the annual fare. The 4 men killed at the recent jamboree is a tradgedy and it looks like a case of carelessness if the initial reports are correct (they had other viable locations for the mess tent, never should have been that close to power lines). As for the porn/molestation incidents, IMO that is not the BSA's fault (except for the cases where they did nothing when they knew about the problem, much like the Catholic Church, this is a case of inexcuseable complacency), other than failing to see those people for who they are before it happens, which is the case in MANY other places also. Blaming the BSA is like blaming a store that sells alcohol for the alcoholics that hang out there. They go where they can feed their addiction, but that doesn't mean that everyone on the sidewalk at any given time is a wino. In all my time in the Scouts I NEVER saw ANYTHING along the inappropriate lines of that, which I attribute to having a large number of adult supervision. With 12 adults around, one or two nutcases will be found out VERY quickly.

    As for the administrative section of the BSA (the people who work for the Boy Scouts as full time jobs) there are MANY problems with the system and the greater number of them have lost sight of the purpose of Scouting and instead are either trying to relive their fond youth memories by forcing young kids to do EXACTLY the same things they remember so fondly or have lost ALL perspective and fallen into the bottomless pit of the politics that befall ANY large organization such as the BSA.
  10. I hope I didn't lead you to believe that I thought all of this is the fault of the BSA (well, except the membership fraud), it just seems to have all dropped at once.

  11. DigMe


    Aug 10, 2002
    Waco, TX
    I think that a lot of good is going on down at the local scale in the troops where the work with the kids is actually taking place. My dad used to be a scout leader and while I was not in scouts myself (go figure) I was around it a lot and I saw a lot of young men bettered through their scouting experiences.

    brad cook
  12. My brother is down at that Jamboree, and I was at the one that preceded this one. It is a shame about the power wires and the tent, but when its 100+ out and there is no safety from the heat(trust me, I know[no trees to be found where stuff is set up]) your judgment may get a bit clouded or set back.

    I hope my brother can deal with the heat. He's...well, large. I was able to get by because I am a human skeleton, but he's probably suffering big time from the heat. But with the news coverage of the deaths they made sure to take care of all the heat sick. When I went there were just as many, and we didn't have fire trucks spraying huge hoses at us, we had fat scout leaders in lawn chairs with weak garden hoses.

    Hopefully nothing else bad will happen.
  13. Philbiker

    Philbiker Pat's the best!

    Dec 28, 2000
    Northern Virginia, USA
    Talk about bad luck.

    You forgot to mention the brown bear mauling that happened last week in Alaska on the Resurrection Pass Trail. :bawl: I'm going hiking on that trail in a couple weeks.... :eek:

    I was a cub scout but never a boy scout. Too "military youth" for me.
  14. Intrepid


    Oct 15, 2001
    Haha, semi-true I suppose. I believe the Soviets use to think BSA was our 'military youth' program. Anyways, Eagle Scout here, but I haven't a clue what's going with BSA. I didn't play around with politics. I got my merit badges, started camp fires, cooked, setup my tent, and thats about it. :D
  15. I missed that one.

  16. Here is another one for you to add to the list.

    Our local boy scout camp, Yawgoog reservation contracted an ailment that turned out to be norovirus. an intestinal illness that causes cramps, diarrhea, and vomiting. At least 125 scouts infected.

    Norovirus is not as serious as it sounds, it is nothing more than a stomach flu and there are no long term effects. it last two or three days but is very contagious.

    one of the causes of norovirus is food poisoning.
  17. Is there a cafeteria at that camp? I'd assume that would've been the culprit. I've read of similar instances at schools/church camps, etc.

  18. Intrepid


    Oct 15, 2001
    Damn I was living life on the edge in Boy Scouts. :p
  19. Philbiker

    Philbiker Pat's the best!

    Dec 28, 2000
    Northern Virginia, USA

    When it rains, it pours.

    And that is definitely very sobering to me, knowing I'm going to be walking on that trail in two weeks time. :eek:
  20. Are you sure it was a brown bear? In Alaska? I would have assumed a Polar Bear at that latitude.

    I know if a Polar Bear was chasing me and caught me, to the casual observer arriving immediately thereafter, he would appear to be a brown bear. A very sticky, stinky brown bear. Just sayin the bear would likely match the color of my shorts for a while.