Broken truss rod- Geddy Lee Jazz MIJ

Discussion in 'Hardware, Setup & Repair [BG]' started by Ivan Johnston, Aug 3, 2021.

  1. Ivan Johnston

    Ivan Johnston

    Aug 3, 2021
    Australia
    Help!
    My bass slipped off the couch and the body hit the floor. It seems that the truss rod snapped. According to a guitar shop in Melbourne, it snapped up near the nut. is this something that can be fixed? I’m a 30 year cabinet maker with a thorough knowledge of working with wood but I don’t know how the truss rod is installed in this neck. Has anyone got experience with this. Thanks for your help.
     
  2. Ivan Johnston

    Ivan Johnston

    Aug 3, 2021
    Australia
    Thanks. There’s good information there but the Jazz truss rod is different. It’s adjustment is at the body and the fixed end at the nut isn’t accessible. It’s a one piece maple neck.
     
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  3. 96tbird

    96tbird PLEASE STAND BY

    The fixed end is under the walnut plug by the nut. You have to get the plug out using heat and pushing the rod through or drill it out.
     
  4. Ivan Johnston

    Ivan Johnston

    Aug 3, 2021
    Australia
    Have you changed a truss rod on this neck by doing that? It seems that there might be more to it with the strip along the back of the neck.
     
  5. 96tbird

    96tbird PLEASE STAND BY

    See the plug behind the nut? B975CD4A-A194-4DDD-AE84-0D3EACCC4690.jpeg
     
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  6. RSBBass

    RSBBass

    Jun 11, 2011
    NYC
    I am not sure how the shop knows that this is where the rod is broken. Did they x-ray the neck? A broken truss rod is going to act the same with a break anywhere along the neck. The fixed end is a good candidate. Have you verified the rod is broken? Just try and adjust it. If the nut bottoms out and keeps spinning it is broken, otherwise not.
     
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  7. vaesto

    vaesto

    Jun 21, 2010
    What are the symptoms? Have the relief/bowing increased drastically? How does the TR nut behave when you try to turn it one or another direction? It there any noise/sound in the neck when you do turn the truss rod nut?
    If the TrussRod snapped indeed then it is major PITA. In fact you or luthier will have to redo all the factory work: remove plug at the head, remove skunk stripe, reinsert new TR, glue in new plug and stripe, refinish the neck. If you want to fix it by your own you need all the skills, tools and knowledge to do the job well plus all the required parts/supplies.
     
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  8. Ivan Johnston

    Ivan Johnston

    Aug 3, 2021
    Australia
    Thanks for the info. The bass dropped off of the couch but the neck stayed upright against the couch when it slid off. The body hit the floor with a bang. Immediately I noticed that the action was higher. If you hold the body against the table tightly, it’s easy to pull the neck up and down a fair bit. Oddly enough, by turning the nut, it does seem to grab and will give a pretty good back bow (with strings off of course).
    I’m thinking that I’ll need a new neck although I’ve got thirty years experience as a cabinet maker/carpenter. I have all of the tool required to do what you’ve mentioned but it would be nice to see what it looks like inside before attempting it. I wonder if there’s a video from the factory of the assembly.
     
  9. WillyW

    WillyW l’art pour l’art, fonction de baise Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2019
    take the neck off and check the rod.

    if it falls out it's broken.

    there is a video about removing the walnut plug, but I think the instrument in the video is a stratocaster, but the operation is the same.


    edit: see if this helps



    plug part here

     
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  10. Ivan Johnston

    Ivan Johnston

    Aug 3, 2021
    Australia
    It doesn’t fall out but something isn’t right. Thanks for the videos.
     
  11. Ivan Johnston

    Ivan Johnston

    Aug 3, 2021
    Australia
    So, I was hoping that if I took the plug out at the head and then removed the nut as he did in the video, the truss rod would slide out or could be pushed out down at the heel of the neck. I guess this isn’t the case though because there must be a reason for the skunk stripe.
     
  12. WillyW

    WillyW l’art pour l’art, fonction de baise Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2019
    What can you see with the plug removed?

    you may need to push from the heel end

    can you get the heel nut off?

    maybe its stripped?

    does the nut turn from the heel?
     
  13. C Stone

    C Stone

    Sep 4, 2020
    USA
    "If you hold the body against the table tightly, it’s easy to pull the neck up and down a fair bit"

    I would suggest taking the neck off and check the the neck screws/holes, if it hit hard enough neck could have pulled loose. Then go from there since you said the truss still adjusts.
     
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  14. Ivan Johnston

    Ivan Johnston

    Aug 3, 2021
    Australia
     
  15. Ivan Johnston

    Ivan Johnston

    Aug 3, 2021
    Australia
    The heel nut moves easily and the treads are in great shape. It tightens up and produces a back bow when I tighten it. So all seems good in that regard. The 4 screws that hold the neck on are in great shape and tighten securely. The neck is on right with no movement there. It just seems that the truss rod isn’t doing its job. It’s almost like it’s not connected on one end. I haven’t removed the plug yet because I’m trying to get as much info before working on it. It’s never been dropped before and the whole bass is in excellent shape. It was always at home and in the case.
     
  16. WillyW

    WillyW l’art pour l’art, fonction de baise Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2019
    Very un-fender like…. You can usually beat several peeple to death and toss it out a 7th floor hotel room and it’s still in tune.
     
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  17. I don't understand. If the heel nut moves, tightens, and holds relief then the truss rod is doing exactly what it's supposed.What is it not doing?
     
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  18. C Stone

    C Stone

    Sep 4, 2020
    USA
    How is the truss rod not doing it's job if it tightens into backbow? Doesn't make any sense to me. Neck screws/plate holding fast IDK, weird. Check your bridge if all good re-set your string height action where you like it and enjoy
     
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  19. RSBBass

    RSBBass

    Jun 11, 2011
    NYC
    Your truss rod is fine. Your neck probably just got knocked out of alignment. There may have been a shim that shifted. It is also possible that there is a crack in the neck pocket. Take the neck off and take a good look. Oh and don't bring it back to the people who told you it was broken.