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"budget" 4x10 cab with good midrange

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by juan13, Nov 15, 2015.


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  1. juan13

    juan13

    Mar 4, 2015
    south america
    EDIT 2: AFTER READING ALL THE POSTS ON THE FAQ AND HAVING MY EYES BLEEDING MY CONCERN IS IN "HOW TO MAKE A LOT OF NOISE WITHOUT BREAKING ANYTHING, AND BY NOISE I AM THINKING OF A GROWL, ALTHOUGH NOT HIPER DISTORTED, IS NOT A CLEAN TONE".

    Hi, i recently almost confirmed on another post that muy way is to go is an ashdown 420 head with a 4x10 cab for my small to medium gigs on my very loud style of band.
    Now i'm in the search of the right cab. My aim is to achieve a very midrange growly tone. I play on a power trio and we play really loud, yeah, everybody says that, but we are like in "the search of loudness" like other bands that may not be very similar to us do like motorhead, I always try to match with the guitar not with a lot of low end but with a lot of aggresive midrange. Here's an example:



    The thing is that searching in older posts GK neo cabs seem to be THE cabs for this style, but they are too expensive on my country (Argentina), other brands like LANEY or PEAVEY seem more accesible. Theres also ASHDOWN, but the problem is that their 4x10 cabs is for 450 watts and having a 420 watts head (from ashdown) i am considering taking caution and buying a cab with a lot more wattage (we play really loud an i use preams and stuff) than my head (for example laneys rb410 holds up to 600 watts).
    Searching at older posts i also discovered that there are some MIDRANGE SPEAKERS, most of them 5'' , whats that? like a tweeter? I have searched at my country and found some cabs with that feature but they don't go any further than 250 watts.

    And well: knowing sizes and so, in all, i'm looking for something mooooooore or less """"""portable""""" or not so bugging to move around.

    Any suggestions?

    Thank you.

    EDIT: the good thing about the ashdown is that it also comes with a tweeter...but i don't want to be worried about not blowing the cab because of our loudness. That why im going for higher wattage than my head.
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2015
  2. juan13

    juan13

    Mar 4, 2015
    south america
    anyone?
     
  3. hifibass

    hifibass

    Feb 4, 2008
    Albany, NY
    IMHO I don't think you can go wrong with an older SWR Goliath or Eden cab. I certainly can't speak to the pricing on the used market in Argentina but here in the US they are dirt cheap. The first generation Goliath cabs were built by Eden before they marketed their own brand. I love Ashdown gear but for "Best Bang for the Buck"............ look into these used.

    post-21994-0-26167500-1332409549.

    D_410XLT-5d28b142b79b6aa8554dc14555dcf753.
     
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  4. juan13

    juan13

    Mar 4, 2015
    south america
    Thank you there.

    I am doing extensively research at the forum and cannot find a right answer for what team to join in terms of "matching cab and head wattage" vs "amp with 2 times the power of cab for not underpowering blah blah blah" vs "head with less power than the cab".

    My taste is always a little bit distorted, so i don't know if i am destroying an amp or what everytime i play.
     
  5. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    Cabs don't make power, they take power and convert it into sound. As such, it is better to have a cab with a higher rating than your amp. That said, ratings for bass gear are all over the place in terms of honesty, so my general advice (ripped off directly from another user here whose name escapes me) is to use your ears and what you have between them and if the cab sounds like it's straining, turn down.

    tl;dr A 450W rated cab would be safe with a 420W head.
     
  6. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    What is the markup for Ampeg gear in Argentina? An SVT410he or 212 could be up your alley.
     
  7. chaosMK

    chaosMK

    May 26, 2005
    Albuquerque, NM
    Hi-fi into an old tube amp
    Most cabs have midrange you just need to dial it in. There are a few Ampeg cabs (the HLF I believe) which have no tone, just a lot of low end. IMO a lot of what we call growl comes from the instrument (some basses have built in growl like the Warick Thumb) and how the amp is dialed in. Ashdown heads are fine for a growly sound. I think it's part of their voice. You just need a good rock cab with a "low mids bump".
     
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  8. The Chuck

    The Chuck

    Dec 11, 2013
    Wilmington, NC
    Budget 410 with midrange- Hartke 410XL
     
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  9. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    Connecticut
    Best bang for the buck would be GK (and a good amount of mids).

    I am not sure what the used market is there, but lots of bassist are moving to lighter equipment. So if you don't mind hauling a heavier rig around, you likely can find a number of used ones out there at at good price.
     
  10. juan13

    juan13

    Mar 4, 2015
    south america
    Ashdown is another accesible brand, how about their cabs?

    GK is the all time winner in my research but it too expensive. Hartke i thought it wat not the best for this but i would take it into consideration.
     
  11. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    Connecticut
    GK expensive??? Their cabs are pretty cheap, and good sounding, although a little modern sounding for me.
     
  12. juan13

    juan13

    Mar 4, 2015
    south america
    Yeah, here at Argentina GK is an expensive brand in comparison with peavey, laney, ashdown, orange and with less difference but more expensive also with hartke. Ashdown cabs any opinion? They told me they are very "british" like organe and thats not the mid sound im looking but who knows.
     
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2015
  13. I have a Peavey TVX 410 it is scooped sounding, the TX 410 us even worse. You can remove the low pass filter from the crossover and it will open up but not to the point of being considered good midrange.
     
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  14. I cannot help you with choices, your tonality is worlds apart from mine. I look for zero distortion in my signal chain. That said I would like to mention that I enjoyed your playing on the track. What you were doing was right on the mark to support the tune. :D
     
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  15. juan13

    juan13

    Mar 4, 2015
    south america
    Thank you!
     
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