Buyers remourse. Tone situation

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by peaveyuser, Dec 1, 2007.

  1. peaveyuser

    peaveyuser Inactive

    Oct 18, 2006
    Well I got my BTB 450qm a year ago. When I tried it in the store I loved it, thought it was an amazing bass for playability and such. I liked the tone (back then) thought it was very versatile and that is the reason I bought it. Well it was very versatile only problem is I find it lacks warmth, kind of sterile. To be honest I like the tone on my Peavey Milestone better way warmer. Maybe I'm a passive guy. This tone thing annoys the hell out of me, great for slap but I love fat warmth. I changed the Elixers to low riders, still kinda have the problem, I thought it might be the amp but the peavey has no problem going through it.
    Ehhh I don't know maybe it's just that I'm playing solo and maybe it will perform better in a band situation or maybe it's just I haven't broken in the strings well yet. What kinda ticks me off is the fact that it's a year old and If I were to sell it I'd get very little, not worth selling, even though it's in great condition. Maybe I should have bought that Godin:(

    Well case in point does anybody ever go through this or had a similiar problem? And to the BTB users any kind of solution to this problem?
  2. ROON

    ROON Guest

    Aug 5, 2006
    Sydney, Australia
    I've gone through heavy buyers remorse with one bass, and I think it is happening again.

    I really regret buying my Washburn T24 (as you probably know Peaveyuser, I never shutup about it ;)) I loved the tone and playability at first, but after less than a year I started to hate it. I now hate the bass so much that it sits in my closet and doesn't get played. It doesn't even have strings on it.

    Now I think I am going through buyers remorse (AGAIN) with my Stingray. When I played it in the store there wasn't so much high end zing and it wasn't so heavy in the mids. I guess I was hearing the Roland Cube which I demo'd it through and not the bass itself. I love the playability though, but I'm not sure the tone is for me, and it's really hard to EQ that "Stingray sound" out of a Stingray. :meh: I just can't get it to sound like Stingrays do on albums I listen too. Pretty frustrated at the moment.

    I feel your pain. :(
  3. I get buyers remorse on everything that I buy. I'll just leave it alone for a bit and come back to it later, then I remember why I got it in the first place. I had this happen with two basses today. I was going to sell them so I had money, but now I don't want to. Also, the remorse is the first step toward GAS, be careful and read my sig.

  4. air_leech


    Sep 1, 2000
    switch to flatwounds fellas, will bring the warmth back in and take the zing out of the picture.
  5. +1

    I think that I've mentioned this before ROON, but I have been down that exact same road with my 3 band 'Ray :meh:. It sounds good "solo", but in the band it just used to get lost and I couldn't even hear which notes I was playing (just all of the rattle and clanky overtones, that help make up the signature SR sound).

    In the end, I found the definitive answer to the problem in the form of a 1977 pre-EB (2 band EQ, long pickup magnets) model. That bass has so much more warmth, both acoustically and through the pre-amp. Also, the bassists whose sound(s) I was really looking for when I sought out the EBMM StingRay were all using pre-EB 'Rays (Louis Johnson of "Brothers Johnson", Paul S. Denman of "Sade", Jamie Stewart of "The Cult") and all had very different, but very appealing tones. I could only ever get my EBMMR to sound like the more "thin and clicky" sound of, say, Simon Gallup of "The Cure" :meh:.

    So, in answer to peaveyuser's OP, yes I have experienced major tone-based buyers remorse with a bass that was supposed to be "the perfect bass" for me :(.

    "Warmth" is a really essential factor for me in any bass purchase now. Sometimes, it's something that can be dialled in to a certain extent, with the right EQ, but usually (IME) it's something which needs to be present in the wood itself, otherwise you're onto a loser from the start :meh:. Faltwounds will "dumb things down" to a certain extent, sure, but IMO they just suck all of the life out of an instrument :bag:. (Yes, I'm one of those people who would have preferred to have heard James Jamerson playing his "Funk Machine" with roundwounds on :eek:)

    My advice!? Sell the BTB and never look back ;)!
  6. hasbeen

    hasbeen Commercial User

    Sep 23, 2004
    Vice President, KMC/JAM USA: Distributor of Ashdown amplification
    what's a "BTB 450"? Maybe I can help if I know and you also let me know what your rig is.
  7. hasbeen

    hasbeen Commercial User

    Sep 23, 2004
    Vice President, KMC/JAM USA: Distributor of Ashdown amplification
    PS- one of the warmest strings on the market, aside from flats, are DR Sunbeam Nickels. They're much warmer than Elixir or Low Riders.
  8. Bass4LifeRS


    Oct 18, 2005
    Remorsers, play some more gigs, see if anything changes for you at all :)
  9. FireArm


    May 17, 2007
    Yamaha BB614 Re-issue, got one a few months back loved it for like a week and then realised that I should have just got a P-Bass... lesson learnt
  10. BassyBill

    BassyBill Still here Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    West Midlands UK
    I'm relieved to hear I'm not the only one who found that Stingray's aren't ideal for every player.

    I bought mine pretty much on impulse almost three years ago, and although it's a great playing instrument and the quality of build is fantastic, I'm not so enthusiastic about the tone. It isn't BAD. Hey, I must have liked it in the shop, right? :( But in my actual playing situation it didn't work out for me. Just too much clickety clack unless you roll all the top end off completely, and on stage I find that whatever I do the G string gets "lost in the mix" really noticeably. I doubt if all Stingrays are the same otherwise they wouldn't have so many fans, but I'm not the only one to have noticed it.

    The bass has hardly been gigged. To those that have one they love I'd say good for you, glad you like it - but this one really isn't for me, as much as I like it in other ways. I'll probably end up selling it.
  11. KrisH


    Nov 6, 2007
    New Jersey
    Related: buyer's remorse on an acoustic guitar. Sounded great in the showroom, but weak when I got it home and compared with my others. Silver lining -- it drove me to learn more about how my instruments are built, and experiment with tweaking and modding them.
  12. smogg


    Mar 27, 2007
    NPR, Florida
    I'm not crazy, I'm just a little unwell
  13. lomo

    lomo passionate hack Supporting Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    +1. And if you play some slap and want an active bass with rounds for that, get another axe used.
  14. MtManiac

    MtManiac Supporting Member

    Mar 6, 2007
    And so begins (or continues) GAS - maybe it's your speakers that you have to change to make this bass sound nice. Maybe it's the head. Maybe you need a Sansamp. It's like buying a piece of furniture, the next thing you know you are adding an addition onto your house. :)
  15. tycobb73


    Jul 23, 2006
    Grand Rapids MI
    I have a rule that I follow. Never try a bass in a store. I pick it up, don't really bother plugging it in, just get the feel for it, then try when I get home to my rig. Even better if I can play it with my band. If the store doesn't have a return policy that lets you do this, don't buy the bass. I also buy a lot of things used on here etc for prices I know if I don't like them I can sell em for at least what I paid.
  16. peaveyuser

    peaveyuser Inactive

    Oct 18, 2006
    Ehh kinda took that into consideration but Ibanez resale value ain't much and I'm not sure if it would be worth selling it cause I couldn't get something half the quality with the money I got from it. I unno I'm already on a new gear spree, I'm saving up for a cab now to complete my rig.

    Hmmmm well I just bought the Low Riders (30$ mind you) and I don't have the money for new strings also I like the tension of these strings as I play quite a few fast songs. My Peavey uses 4 month old Slinky's at the moment so maybe the problem is that I like my strings more worn.

    Well my peavey through my little combo is so much warmer than my BTB, so I know it's not the amp lacking warmth. Also I just bought an Ashdown head and when I was trying the bass through the sellers rig (he had two ashdown cabs setup) it still kind of lacked warmth.

    Thing is the body is Basswood with a quilt maple top it surprises me it can get so bright acoustically again maybe the newer strings need to be used more. I'm not sure if if a pickup change would be good too, kind of convert to passive, would that help?

    I think a year ago when I knew less I didn't know exactly what I wanted with my tone so I liked the sound now whenever I play it the sound kind of dissapoints me, then it really dissapoints me that I could have had a passive Godin that sounded great. Too bad my bass isn't worth enough to do some kind of trade in:(
  17. MtManiac

    MtManiac Supporting Member

    Mar 6, 2007
    It's the combination of all these things that make up your tone, plus of course your fingers and technique. Wood, strings, pickups, electronics (pots and caps), cables, head, speaker cables, speakers, and effects. Change any one of those and all can go to h311 in a handbasket, or suddenly become a glimpse of heaven.
  18. air_leech


    Sep 1, 2000

    I actually like the slap tone of TI flats on a P with tone pot rolled approx. 75% to max.

    it's a throaty and precussive slap tone and the pops have lots of meat unlike a Jazz bass or active basses that sound more musical than precussive. I personally prefer it to the hi-fi "smiley face" sound that sits so-so in the mix (stands out too much and leaves a hole in the low end).

    but then again I'm in a phase where the P-Bass is my holy grail, I really dont play any of my other basses as much as my Ps and only GAS for me is to get more of the same thing.
  19. buzzbass


    Apr 23, 2003
    Tenn. & NJ

    That was my experience with the Stingray too. I wanted one for years, and finally got one. I have yet to play a bass that felt nicer in my hands, at any price. I just couldn't get a good tone out of the thing. very disappointing :meh:
  20. peaveyuser

    peaveyuser Inactive

    Oct 18, 2006
    Well good news, after spending a bit of quality time with my bass i found some cool warm tones, I unno why but I think I wore the strings a bit more and now it has a smooth creamy tone when Eq'ed right. I can also make a god awful hi fi tone and a chicken moan tone heheheh with the high all the way and no lows or mids.

    Thanks for the support guys, I figured the G string is the main culprit here.