Hey everyone, I've been thinking of helping my girlfriend buy a new bass for herself. She's been a violinist for over 25 years and has been a bassist for maybe 15 years or so. While a fantastic violin player, she'll be the first to admit she's a terrible bass player. I was giving her a little mandolin lesson last night when she told me that the hardest part for her about playing bass was the tuning, plus the sheer physicality of it. She currently owns a 64 P bass that's being loaned to me. Unfortunately she doesn't know jack about G.A.S. and her only experience with another bass was a jazz bass she borrowed briefly in 1998. Luckily for her, she got to play a bunch of my basses and now wants something more aligned with her needs as a player as she gets back into playing bass. Basses she liked: -Medium scale P for the neck -Fretless G&L1000 for the lack of frets -Musicman Stingray for the pickup -Passive G&L L1500 for the pickup Given these things I'm guessing she wants a medium to short scale fretless bass with a music man pickup in the bridge. Does anyone make something like this off the rack? Any basses I should look out for? Used or new. I'm trying to find something under $750. Any help?
I apologize ahead of time to suggest the obvious, but perhaps a violin-type bass (Hofner or any number of less expensive knock-offs) might at least be something to try. They're small and light and although I've never seen a fretless version they must exist. However, it doesn't have a MM pu which might make it a deal-breaker.
Nonsense. My kid plays Violin/Viola and Bass (DB & Electric), among other string instruments (i.e., banjo). I just asked him and he's still laughing. "It's all in the mind." ~ Geo. Harrison
Violins do not have sloped-shoulders. Beatle Basses (and the like), do. This mere difference will cause all sorts of chaos.
I have no problems with alternate tunings and different instruments. I switch between upright and electric bass, mandolin, banjo, uke, and guitar. She only picked up bass because she fell in love with punk music as a teenager and that is pretty much her skill set. She hasn't really played bass in a long time because of her career. As she's grown older her musical tastes have expanded and she wants to play more than root 8ths and play other kinds of music. She's never particularly liked having a full scale bass and I'm sure the 1.75" nut width hasn't helped matters much. Given her new interest in mandolin, and how quickly she's picked it up, I'll be looking into strings more suited for a bass tuned in perfect 5ths. First step is a bass that better suits her.
I remember seeing fretless Douglas violin bass copies and I think I've played a bunch of the cheap fretted copies. Even the solo bridge pickup isn't particularly bright or aggressive which were the qualities she liked in a bridge position humbucker.
It's going to be tough to find a single bass with all those features in that price range, I'd start by cutting out the lowest priorities and go from there. Sounds like short/medium scale is a must, and bright tone rather than a mm pick up specifically. Danelectro's are super bright and super light, but capable of other sounds if you roll off some tone and work with your amp's eq. Eastwood makes some short and medium scale basses in that price range, the Classic 4, the Hi-Flyer, the Sidejack 32. Then there's the Fender Mustang and the Squier Jaguar SS. Epiphone has the Allen Woody Rumblecat. Like I said, you're going to have to weigh which features are most important to you and go from there, read/watch reviews, and try some out.
Push comes to shove, if the bass fits her needs other than being fretless, the Douglas ones (possibly bought used for even less) would be great vehicles for removing the frets and filling the gaps. It's a pretty straight forward DIY mod and as long as the action is set correctly it will play just as nicely once done. I would be surprised if someone here on tb hasn't already done this mod. If you don't feel confident, a luthier could do it for sure but I'm sure there's a thread or two here on tb showing a step-by-step. It would probably create a very cool acoustic-vibe bass.
Violin fingerings will not transfer to a bass tuned in fourths -- unless she moonlights with WNBA. If you take this route, be sure to have a hand rehab specialist standing by.
Squier Jaguar, Squier Bronco and Ibanez Mikro are short scale fretted basses. There seems to be plenty of cheap, used fretless 34" scale basses on eBay.
Err... A bass tuned in perfect 5ths isn't anything new. Most instruments in the violin family are tuned in 5ths. My upright bass is in 5ths which is a little uncommon but not unheard of. However mandolin, banjo and a whole host of other instruments are tuned in 5ths. For some instruments that aren't normally tuned in 5ths, like uke, you can buy strings designed to do it. Unfortunately most electric bass players only play in 4ths so I'll probably be buying a bunch of single strings to get something workable. For me, mandolin was my second instrument after electric bass and 5ths tuning makes a lot of sense to me despite it being a difficult initial transition. I can sympathize with her in learning an entirely new approach to music, especially when all she wanted to do was play in punk bands. FYI almost every instrument I own is tuned in fifths except for electric bass and some of my guitars. You can also thank these lengthy responses for me not having anything better to do at work. Worst comes to worst I can always buy a fretted bass and defret it. I've done it twice before now. Just trying to find something off the shelf to put in her hands. A squier bronco is pretty cheap and I can always replace the stock pickup with a single coil precision pickup and yank out the frets as well.
A fair number of us here tune in fifths. Mostly CGDA, although GDAE would make a nice baritone tuning for a bass and she obviously would know it quite well. There is even a club here for fifths tuning. Rondo/Brice makes a couple of short scale, fretless five strings. She could tune one of those CGDAE and have all the low notes she would need plus the tuning she knows on the upper four strings.
Yes and no. Perfect Fourths, except for that pesky Major Third in there... similar to guitar tuning. A cheap one. You can always try the Standard Chapman Stick Bass tuning! That one drives everyone crazy.
I'll take the chance to plug John Toon, luthier in Kansas City - I've played this one on a visit out there - http://toonbass.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=11605759 . 32" scale on a very slim neck, very light and comfortable to play. I believe he built it after hurting his hands in a car accident with ease of play the #1 priority. Sounds great. EMG pickup, not an MM, but it sounds good and of course you could probably swap out the electronics if you wanted. His prices for new custom-built instruments is out of your range but I believe he'd sell an old one like this for something you could afford. Wouldn't hurt to ask. PS: I should mention that this bass is a player's instrument and has taken a lot of wear since that photo was taken.
Just a thought, as I can't think of anything with those specs. Perhaps playing something fretted, strung with standard tuning, would get her in a new mindset, which may be part of the problem. My wife went from violin to guitar.
Good on you GE, that's sweet. Had me a violinist-girlfriend one time... a verrry looong time ago. Although she never played bass, she did enjoy that I did, and was the first person to ever encourage me to play with a bow. I would think with a $750 budget, there'd be something suitable, probably over on the classifieds page.