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C mixolydian,,,, just a major scale with a minor?

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by PollyBass, Jul 10, 2002.


  1. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    A minor <b>what</b>?

    If you mean a minor 7 (7) as opposed to a major 7 (maj7), then you're right.

    Those scales/modes are half-tone related(?) [halbtonverwandt]:

    ionian - lydian (11/#11)
    ionian - mixolydian (maj7/7)
    dorian - aeolian (13/b13)
    dorian - mixolydian (b3/3)
    aeolian - phrygian (9/b9)
    phrygian - locrian (5/b5)
     
  2. Blackbird

    Blackbird Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    California
    C Myxolydian is the mode based on the fifth degree of the F major scale.

    In other words, C is to F what G is to C.
     
  3. PollyBass

    PollyBass ******

    Jun 25, 2001
    Shreveport, LA
    Sorry, ment to say a minor 7th. Thanks, i knew i was right.
     
  4. thrash_jazz

    thrash_jazz

    Jan 11, 2002
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    Artist: JAF Basses, Circle K Strings
    Technically, yes, that is correct, but in practice, it's more useful to look at it as a completely separate scale.
     
  5. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    This is so true. It's far more useful to learn each mode and scale type as it's own entity than how it relates to the major scale.
     
  6. jazzbo

    jazzbo

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    I learned modes as how they related to major scales. BIGGEST MISTAKE OF MY PLAYING LIFE. Learn them as the scales they are, not only will you better understand their role and function, but it will make it easier to play them.
     
  7. PollyBass

    PollyBass ******

    Jun 25, 2001
    Shreveport, LA
    Scales are scales, modes are modes.
     
  8. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY

    Scales are modes and modes are scales....Eye of the Beholder.
     
  9. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    This always reminds me of the duality of light (wave/particle).
     
  10. Howard K

    Howard K

    Feb 14, 2002
    UK
    I only have a fraction of the knoweldge that pacman and the rest of those guys have, but I kinda realised this when I noticed that root,3,5,7 of mixolydian is a Dominant 7th chord.

    Spooky!
     
  11. jazzbo

    jazzbo

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    Scaley mold?! Modes are modes are scales but when scales are used as modes the modality is reinforced through scales and scalar modality. Scales can be played as modes if the scalar modality is modally played while interpreting scales as the proper modes.
     
  12. Modally Scalar DUDE!!:D ;)
    (I'll have the mixolydian pie, please - a la mode of course....)
     
  13. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY

    Exactly my point. We are of one mind on this issue. :)
     
  14. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U

    May 30, 2000
    Peoples Republic of Brooklyn
    Creator of: iGigBook for Android/iOS
    Even spookier, the whole sha-bang is a C13 chord.
     
  15. PollyBass

    PollyBass ******

    Jun 25, 2001
    Shreveport, LA

    :eek:











    :p
     
  16. TJC

    TJC

    Jun 28, 2002
    Los Angeles

    When I am thinking of a particular mode I generally think of it as having a b3, or b7, #4, etc. Is this what you mean by thinking of it in terms of a major or ionian scale? If so - how else can I differentiate modes?
     
  17. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U

    May 30, 2000
    Peoples Republic of Brooklyn
    Creator of: iGigBook for Android/iOS
    How else can you differentiate modes? Think chordally.

    Ionian = Maj13
    Dorian = Min13
    Phrygian = Min7 b9 11 b13
    Lydian = Maj9 #11 13
    Mixolydian = 13
    Aoelian = Min9 11 b13
    Locrian = Min7 b5 b9 11 b13
     
  18. TJC

    TJC

    Jun 28, 2002
    Los Angeles



    I'm not sure I understand... but I want to. I want to.

    Could you break it down a little more?
     
  19. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U

    May 30, 2000
    Peoples Republic of Brooklyn
    Creator of: iGigBook for Android/iOS
    When I say think chordally, think of the modes as a series of stacked thirds or a chord. To me it's more relevant to look at them this way especially in a jazz context.

    CMaj13 = C E G B D F A or C D E F G A B

    You can look at this mode as a major scale, a CMaj13 chord, or a series of stacked chords, i.e., CMaj7 chord and a Dmin triad or a CMaj triad and a Bmin7b5 chord. Play the above a scale then play it as series of stacked thirds, then create a run using both methods an see which sounds better. Of course there so much here, it's just the tip of the iceberg.

    Using the same excercise on all of the modes you get the list that I posted earlier. It's a good idea to get used to looking at this stuff and hearing this stuff as chords because that's what your facing when you get handed a chart and have to come up with something to play be it Jazz, R&B, Rock or whatever.