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Can a Floor Monitor solve problems?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by duke2004, Oct 5, 2005.


  1. duke2004

    duke2004 Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2004
    Cambridge, Mass.
    Been looking at the last page of latest Bass Player, about the situation where one wants more bass in the PA, and also wants to hear oneself onstage. Anyone try a heavy duty floor monitor as their onstage rig, or to augment their rig?
    There doesnt seem to be much on this in other TB posts.

    To me it makes sense, since it would force the soundman to not rely on your stage rig to send bass to the crowd. Ive also found its hard to hear myself on stage, especially on a small stage where i cant distance myself from my stack. maybe the angled floor monitor can help.??
    Im assuming this is a floor monitor powered by the bass player's own amp, not a soundman's monitor.
     
  2. billfitzmaurice

    billfitzmaurice Commercial User

    Sep 15, 2004
    New Hampshire
    Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
    More often than not soundmen tend to put too much bass in the PA, especially low frequencies that you aren't putting out on stage but they are putting out through the PA. If anything I'd be inclined to put out more of what you want the audience to hear rather than less. My personal rule of thumb: if you need tohave the bass going through the monitors to hear yourself on stage your amp isn't loud enough.
     
  3. duke2004

    duke2004 Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2004
    Cambridge, Mass.
    i agree about soundmen putting too much muddy lows into the house mix, but i have lots of power and often dont hear myself onstage and i dont think its so much power as distance (wavelength being large from bass) from driver. everyone's results may differ
     
  4. Petebass

    Petebass

    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    I've done it. But I wouldn't rely on standard PA type monitors. Many of them do very little below 100Hz. You can gat monitor stype cans from specialist bass cab manufacturers nowadays. I'd look into those.
     
  5. Eden makes one. 210MBX I think its called.
     
  6. Mo' bass

    Mo' bass

    May 4, 2000
    Netherlands
    I'm going to try angleing (sp) my 2*10's next gig. Tried it at rehearsel and I could hear myself much better.
     
  7. jock

    jock

    Jun 7, 2000
    Stockholm, Sweden
    Here are two other options:
    Ashdown:
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    Glockenklang:
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  8. 4Mal

    4Mal Supporting Member

    Jun 2, 2002
    Columbia River Gorge
    For monitoring I throw a 2x10 on an angled back amp stand.
     
  9. billfitzmaurice

    billfitzmaurice Commercial User

    Sep 15, 2004
    New Hampshire
    Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
    Having your speakers aimed at you ears is always a good idea. The midrange frequencies that your ears are most sensititive to, and which define the tone of the instrument, have a fairly narrow dispersion pattern. It matters little how loud your rig is if the only parts of your body within the midrange dispersion pattern are residing in your pants.

    BTW, with a 2x10 rotate the cab so that the tens are vertically aligned and both you and the audience will hear it better.
     

  10. I use an Ampeg BXT210M. Same kind of wedge, just not as amazing as the Glockenklang. (or the price :D )
     
  11. Mesa Boogie used to make the "Buster" combo that was wedge-shaped. pretty cool, ahead of its time I guess.
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  12. When I play smaller gigs and only use 1 EA vl210, I use the angle back feature, it GREATLY improves the sound you hear up close. The earlier posters have it right on, the mid freqs on a short cab go right through your legs, you never hear them, unless you aim it somewhat at your ears. Keep it on the floor for bass response though, an amp stand like for guitars is probably a bad idea.

    Randy
     
  13. Quality

    Quality

    May 7, 2003
    Long Beach, CA
    I use A GK Backline 210 to the side of me and for bigger gigs I hook up a 4 x 10 extension to put behind me.
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  14. 4Mal

    4Mal Supporting Member

    Jun 2, 2002
    Columbia River Gorge
    Actually the amp stand works great. You do lose the bass coupling effect that you get from having a cab on the stage. I however think that to be an advantage ... It's a monitor and I at least want to keep the low end rumble down. I just add back a little low end with the EQ but not too much as I'm also trying to keep my sound away from the house so to speak.

    At the end of my bad old touring days, I kept my cab;s behind the mains, side stage. Key's were on a riser at one side, drums on a riser on the other. gui****, singer and i were in the middle. Kind of a different look. Of course we carried a monitoring system that would smoke the mains I play behind today. Thank god I don't have to lug all that crap around now!

    If it's my amp filling the room, then i keep the cab's on the floor, generally vertically.
     
  15. Can a Floor Monitor Solve Problems?

    Go to the floor monitor and ask it, "If John is on a train heading West from New York at 50 mph, and Sally is older than Lucy, should I tell my best friend's girlfriend how I really feel about her?"

    You may have better luck with a Magic 8-ball, although those are not as good for low-end response.
     
  16. rockstarbassist

    rockstarbassist Banned

    Apr 30, 2002
    The Woodlands, TX
    Endorsing Artist: HCAF
    I had thrown on a kind of tilt-back spring-loaded handle on the bottom of my Schro 1210 (still have it, actually) to help alleviate this problem. I've looked into getting a regular guitar amp stand, but not sure how sturdy or supportive that'd be. Also, would that be good to use with your MAIN amp, and not just a line-out to a cab for monitoring purposes?
    Then omhs also would I'd think pose somewhat of a problem, especially if your amp is 4 and your cab is 4- you'd have to trade out and get 2 8's just so your amp would work... Kinda sucky... :meh:
     
  17. duke2004

    duke2004 Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2004
    Cambridge, Mass.
    from these posts I think it makes sense to bring the 210 out front/side stage and angle it from the floor on a 2x4 or something so that its pointing up to me. The guitar cabinet stand seems reasonable, but its just another thing you need to carry to a gig. Ideally one has 12 feet to stand in front of the bass stack, but when do we ever get that luxury?

    a question for the designers out there. i seem to recall some (Markbass?) cabinet with an array of 5" drivers for bass. If one were concerned to hear themselves (midrange), wouldnt smaller drivers be the way?..so long as there was a 12 or 15" driver in another box
     
  18. Lync

    Lync Supporting Member

    Apr 13, 2004
    NY
    I think the tilt-back design is very good-especially if you have PA support. I end up playing in cramped clubs where I have more than enough bass, but it ends up blowing right under me.

    There are only so many kickback cabs/amps though.

    I have been thinking of checking out one of these:

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    http://www.ampwedge.com/uses.htm
     
  19. duke2004

    duke2004 Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2004
    Cambridge, Mass.
    wow, i hope that eden rack is insured! looks pretty cool though
     
  20. Wow, only thing missing is a beer balanced on top of that stack! :D