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cant find a good link on how to relic...

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by ghostjs, Mar 22, 2009.


  1. ghostjs

    ghostjs

    Aug 14, 2008
    ghostjs
    Unofficially Endorsing: D'Addario, Lakland
    i have a recent GAS for relicing so im going to buy a SX Jazz or P... i searched the internet and i couldnt find much.. either that or im not looking hard enough. can someone help?
     
  2. superfunk47

    superfunk47

    Sep 9, 2007
  3. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Victoria, BC
    I was looking for ibanezcollector's very detailed original thread, but it seems to have been deleted. I do have his pdf files saved to my computer, so if you PM me your email address, I'll email them to you. There are 5 pdf files totalling over 24Mb, so I'll have to send you one at a time...
     
  4. Gone

    Gone

    Mar 21, 2006
    Cape Town
    Jayda custom basses, builder
    fyi, Ibanezcollector was quite adamant that that pdf not be circulated anymore
     
  5. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Victoria, BC
    I hadn't heard that. Interesting that he didn't seek to have the reference in the How To section removed. Although the link is dead, the information is there, leading the reader to believe its still accessible.

    Frankly though, once he published his tutorial online, it immediately became public domain, and his request is a bit naive in my opinion. Its out there available for distribution, he can only make appeals to have it stopped. Whether someone honours it or not is purely a matter of ethics, not legalities.

    I used to have a young female student who posted her own full frontal nude shot online years ago as a dare. I'm sure she's adamant that not be distributed either, but I'm afraid its going to continue...
     
  6. I'm also in this boat.

    Being a Warwick player, owning anything Fender-esque can be a bit taboo.

    But I'm not one to be as "brand loyal" as I was in my youth.

    I too have been mesmerized by the vintage, distressed, relic'd look of the Fender Road Worn and ESP Vintage 4 basses.

    I'm looking to either do a Warmoth project, or purchase an SX for this Project O' Precision.

    So, is the .PDF still being passed, or have the OP's request been honored?

    Or, perhaps is there another reference or link that could enlighten myself?

    Thanks in advance,
    - Ty.
     
  7. link? :ninja: just kidding....
     
  8. <derail>
    At the risk of derailing this thread, that's the craziest thing I think I've ever read. Try selling that argument to Warner Music Group! And people circulating the pic you mention are definitely breaking the law. You seem to be confusing the practicality of enforcement with actual legality.
    </derail>

    Ok back on track now...
     
  9. theres likely something in the fine print of talkbass that says whatever you post here is owned by them or becomes public domain. thats life.. dont post things on the internet.

    to the OP, own a bass for 10+ years and play the crap out of it.. instant relic. :D
     
  10. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Victoria, BC
    With all due respect, you are incorrect. In regards to the warner comment, people posting intellectual or real property owned by another person are not publishing it per se, but are in fact illegally distributing property. This notion is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

    Yes, people circulating the girl's photograph are breaking the law, but not because she has intellectual or real property rights, but because she was a minor and therefore they are distributing child pornography.

    The issue at hand is the fact that Ibanezcollector himself published the information to public domain when he posted it on the internet. Sonic assassin is correct, that's life and if you want to retain intellectual property rights, don't post online. When you write something in an email, webpage, post online, etcetera, you are actually publishing that document to the internet and immediately give up any property rights to it (at least in commonwealth countries - I'm not as familiar with the law in the USA). As such, we all need to post with caution as once its out there, we can't get it back.

    If you don't believe me, that's fine, but please speak to a lawyer first before posting up arguments to this here post. My legal department was extremely clear about this a few years back when they went to town on operators posting online in regards to this very issue. If you write it and put it online yourself, you're publishing it, and can be held liable for libel (as opposed to slander) as well. It was sage advice for me, and should be for anyone else as well.

    That said, I will ask Ibanezcollector directly about how he feels and if he's strong about it, I'll respect his wishes, but again, that's solely due to ethics. Where I live, its entirely within my rights to distribute the content regardless of what he says, as its public domain...
     
  11. Projectile

    Projectile

    Feb 5, 2009
    Most relic basses have nitro finishes. It is going to be very difficult to relic a bass with a poly finish like most SX basses because poly just doesn't wear naturally like nitrocellulose lacquer does.
     
  12. yep, most poly coated basses that I've seen "relic-ed" look like somebody took a belt sander to them, or banged on them with hammers to get the finish to chip :rollno: Now you can still get the relic look on a poly finished bass if you do only the hardware (as in making them rust/oxidize) and age the plastic somehow
     
  13. Darkstrike

    Darkstrike Return Of The King!

    Sep 14, 2007
    10+ years is instant to you?:p
     
  14. The poly finish wouldn't be a problem, as chemical solvent
    would be involved to remove it.

    I was a member on this forum when I just started playing
    bass years ago, and I remember relic'd basses were the
    rage, as SX was soon thereafter.

    I remember someone mentioning putting the body in an
    oven to crack the finish, I just cannot seem to find any other
    mention of distressing a body on this website any longer.

    (As far as stripping, working with wood, etc etc, I'm a mechanic
    and working with wood runs in my blood, I'm actually more
    than capable of building my own bass, but am currently limited
    with funds, hence the desire to acquire an SX.)

    Anyone's help would be greatly appreciated!

    (I would love to own the patience to wait ten years, unfortunately
    I wasn't bestowed with such a gift, :p)
     
  15. I've found some useful sites, such as relicdeluxe.com, as well as some useful pictures on http://www.bravewoodguitars.co.uk/PandJbasspage.html.

    As far as materials and processes, I've found that it's really up to which look you wish to achieve.

    I'll be doing this when my refund comes in. I'll be nabbing up an SX - SPJ-57 in 3TS as well as a tweed case all from Rondo.

    Plans include:
    * Omitting the jazz pickup and volume control.
    * Relocating the jack to the front (Where a normal P Bass jack is.) (Swapping to Switchcraft as well.)
    * 100 mO potentiometer swap.
    * Leo Quan Badass II Bridge replacement.
    * Hipshot Ultralite Clover-style tuner swap.
    * SD Basslines Quarter Pounder Precision pickups.
    * Aging of hardware through chemical bath.
    * Aging of neck through stripping original finish, "dirtying" the 3-7 frets heavily, and the 2, and 8-12 lightly. (Most likely through an artist's charcoal soup applique.)
    * Distressing the body through stripping original finish, finely sanding the entire body (to darken stain), denting, scratching, and sanding through to the Alder in certain, carefully thought out spots. (Bottom of base, underside of lower horn, forearm contour, bully cut edge, bottom right, and top of upper horn.)
    * I may even color some of it back in with Sharpie to look as if an attempt was pulled off to fix the problem areas.
    * Jack dimples where the old jack used to be, complete with dowel plug, un-sanded and not color matched.

    Anyhoo, I hope this will be a fun project, I'm really looking forward to it!
     
  16. Projectile

    Projectile

    Feb 5, 2009
    This is a common misconception. Basses of the 60s and 70s aged the way they did because of the materials used in manufacturing the instruments. Modern basses are designed to have harder finishes, with less potential to fade, more durable plastics, and hardware that is less prone to corrosion. If you bought an SX bass today and played the crap out of it for ten years, it's likely you would just get a slightly more dirty and banged up version of the same bass. It wouldn't look like a relic.
     
  17. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Victoria, BC
    I agree with projectile, I've got an early 90's MIM jazz that I have played to death and it still looks pretty much brand new...


    On another note, Ibanezcollector got back to me and he's okay with the tutorial being distributed as he's not the business anymore, so if anyone wants a copy, PM me your email and I'll send it off...
     
  18. BillyRay

    BillyRay Supporting Member

    Jan 20, 2008
    Quebec
    PM Sent.
     
  19. BillyRay

    BillyRay Supporting Member

    Jan 20, 2008
    Quebec
    High+five+cat.

    As promised.
     

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