CARVIN R600 COMBO W/ 210 EXTENSION CAB ???

Ok, looking at this set up for my Church that's on a tight budget ($350-$400) but in serious need of a bass rig that has some good volume/ head room. Certainly tone is desirable as well. I can probably get this rig for $375. It's apparently lightly used, in excellent condition.

I love Carvin's new stuff but don't have experience with their previous lines. Any comments on the head, cabs, overall sound and durability. I may eventually replace the head if necessary

Let me know ... thanks


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Cheap price. Not super loud, and although I hate combos, I always liked the sound of the R600.
Would setting it up as a vertical array be unstable (both 210's on end, one on top the other)?

Might add, I had an R1000 ver.2 head. Not reliable.
 
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Probably would work but not sure why to do it. I can't think of any advantage visually and audibly. Thanks for the feedback.
There is certainly a significant advantage to a vertical 410. The midrange frequencies are dispersed much more evenly in the room. Do a search. Nearly all 210+210 rigs are set up as vertical arrays. Its not very secret. Here is my old one:

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I used to own and gig the R600 and those Carvin 10's all the time.

The cabs are nice and punchy. Lacked the real deep bass. My 15 at the time (also a carvin) really did add more lows. Came to find out though the 10's sat in the mix pretty nice out in the audience, just seemed a little bass shy up close. Lots of sub-bass on stage usually isn't a good thing.


The amp was alright. I didn't like it as much as the old Carvin PB500 I had before it. That one had more "balls" or "girth" for lack of better words. The redline was more neutral, some would say "sterile" amp. Others would consider it a blank slate on which to paint....they'd both be right.

It'll only do clean no matter how you twist the knobs. Any sort of flavor has to come from external effects. For a built-in compressor, that feature was actually useful. Got some range there for mild compression effect where a lot of other amps built in compression is basically squish or nothing.

It does have a tone of eq and various patching schemes, and fully biamp capable. That can be cool for some of us, but it's not user-friendly for newbies or simpletons. At a church, presumably with a wide variety of players, including the inexperienced or not technically adept, there is a lot of opportunity for things to go haywire in all those controls.


The vertical stacking of the cabs does have very noticable advantages out in the audience. Namely wider dispersion of the uppermids and highs, more even/consistent sound throughout the audience, as well as having a speaker or two up closer to the players ear level, so they can hear themselves better without cranking the volume too much. It also makes it easier for them to hear their uppermids and highs as well. That could cause some cranking of the bass knob as the inexperienced will tend to turn up what they want to hear more of instead of turn down what they want to hear less of, all the while making those judgements from a few feet in front of the rig instead of out in the audience...where it actually matters. ;)
 
To each is own on stacking 10.2 cabs. Depending of the elevation of the stage any benefit of wider dispersion is minimized. Based on my experience and other's feedback I feel low end suffers when stacking. There's a reason why 10.4 cabs are so popular. I just tilt mine a little to hear better up close.

As far as the gig you're looking at those top drivers are basically at the same position of what the 2nd driver from the top would be in a typical 10.2 stack. That wedge cabinet looks nice. Wondering now they would sound with nicer drivers. The R600 head is OK. I'd replace with a BX500 or BX700. For the price that "seems" to be a good deal. I'm curious what others who've had that combo have to say.
 
Disagree ... I know what like and what I hear and feel both on and off stage. Loss off midrange ???? Nah
If you like your sound, that's great, but you might be surprised what others are hearing. A search will yield some support for that idea, but what matters is a personal empirical confirmation. I have had this several times. One must be off stage to judge, and listen from dead on, near right, and then near left. Even a few degrees offset makes a dramatic change in a 410's sound, unless you have ALL midrange and highs dialed out.

A column is less susceptible to this. The reasons have to do with phase differences between left and right speaker pairs as you move off axis. Phase cancelation causes a de facto comb filter, i.e., various bands are diminished in level. There are more discussions of this elsewhere in this forum.

The science is not so important. To me, the clarity gained across a wider acoustic space, is.
 
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