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Discussion in '[OLD FORUM] Bass Guitars, Amps, and Accessories: F' started by Blackbird, Jun 20, 2002.

  1. Blackbird

    Blackbird Moderator Supporting Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    Here are a few guidelines to help keep the Classifieds smooth. Please contact me if there are any questions or omissions.


    Q: Who can post ads in the Classifieds?

    A: All registered TalkBass members. The TalkBass Classifieds are for transactions between private parties only. That means no dealers.*

    *This includes the sale by dealers of instruments consigned by private parties.

    Q: Do I have to pay to post an ad in the TalkBass Classifieds?

    A: Posting an ad in the Classifieds is free. TalkBass makes no money from the transactions posted in the Classifieds.

    If you were successful selling your item or found the gear you were looking for at a good price using the TalkBass Classifieds, you might consider becoming a Supporting Member.

    Q: What do I need to do to post an ad in the Classifieds?

    Just start a thread like you would in any of the other forums. Talkbass forum rules still apply. Add an accurate description of the item and its condition. Pictures are definitely helpful. Posting your price on the thread title is also encouraged. Remember to mention if your price is negotiable or not.

    Q: Can I advertise my (eBay, etc.) auction in the TalkBass Classifieds?

    A: The Classifieds forum is in place to facilitate transactions between members. The posting of auctions is beneficial to the seller and the auction site because it increases exposure to the auction. However, it is detrimental to TalkBass buyers and to TalkBass itself because:

    1) Buyers have to compete with other bidders to purchase the item, and

    2) TalkBass is used as a profit maximizer at the expense of its bandwidth without receiving any compensation for it.

    That's why direct transactions are encouraged. If you have an item for sale, please try to sell it directly first , then advertise the auction if there are no takers.

    NEW POLICY: As of 12/30/02, Threads started with the intent to advertise an auction will be deleted. Links to auctions will only be allowed if posted as a reply to an existing (at least one week old) thread originally advertising the direct sale of the same item.



    Q: What should I do if I’m interested in an item or have a question?

    A: Reply to the post or contact the seller via e-mail or private message.
    NOTE: using the “Report this post to a Moderator” link will NOT contact the seller.

    Q: If I'm 100% sure I'm buying an item, can I post a message saying the item is sold?

    A: No one but the seller can say whether their item is sold or not.

    Q: How do I know if a price is negotiable?

    A: Usually a seller will say if his price is an “Asking price” (open for negotiation) or if it’s “firm” (meaning that’s the final price). “OBO” means “or best offer”, meaning the seller is willing to sell the item for the closest offer to their original asking price.

    Q: What does it mean when someone posts "bump" in a reply?

    A: As you know, when a reply is posted in a thread, the thread is moved back to the top of the Forum. If an advertised item is still for sale after a while and getting buried by newer threads, the seller will sometimes "bump" the thread back up. Since there's nothing to add, the thread author will simply type "bump".

    Q: What if someone’s asking price is too high?

    A: Sellers are entitled to ask any price they want for their item. Please do not contact a seller regarding their prices unless you’re interested in purchasing the item.

    Q: Does TalkBass provide any form of buyer/seller protection in the event of a problem?

    A: Transactions between TalkBass members are done at their own risk. TalkBass administrators and moderators do not guarantee that the transactions members choose to engage in are safe and that the descriptions provided by sellers are accurate. Members who choose to buy/sell gear through the TalkBass Classifieds understand that TalkBass, its administrators and moderators are not liable for any loss that may occur due to the use of the Classifieds Forum.

    Please check back regularly for updates.

  2. Blackbird

    Blackbird Moderator Supporting Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    This is a message for the clueless, the less than clever and those who just don't care.

    If you want to know why, take one minute to read The Classifieds FAQ.
  3. Woodchuck


    Apr 21, 2000
    Atlanta (Grant Park!)
    Gallien Krueger for the last 12 years!
  4. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    Yeah, its been bothering me how many have been posted despite the rules.

    Good call.

    I think maybe a good idea would be to have a requirement of a PM asking for permission to post one that way you know when one is being posted and can be sure that the item has been listed here first.

  5. Sorry guys, but I got to disagree with this. I mean, if I try selling something on the classifieds (which I have yet to, but thats not important right now) and no one takes a bite, and I put it on ebay, shouldn't I let them know just incase someone does infact want to buy it?

    Doesn't make sense to me....
  6. Blackbird

    Blackbird Moderator Supporting Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    Interesting concept, but it has a couple snags:

    1) The clueless, the stupi, I mean, the less than clever and the people who don't care would still not do it, because they are the aforementioned things.

    2) I am not that big a Beaureaucrat.

    3) I'm not a tyrant.

    I just want us all to be a happy family!:D[​IMG]
  7. Nick Gann

    Nick Gann Talkbass' Tubist in Residence

    Mar 24, 2002
    Silver Spring, MD
    JR- If that happens, then put a post in the thread for the item saying it is on e-bay. No need to start a new thread. If someone is interested in the item, then they will look in the thread whether or not it's title says its on e-bay.
  8. Blackbird

    Blackbird Moderator Supporting Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    Looks like someone didn't read the classifieds FAQ...

    Edit: And may I add that anyone who thinks they have an opinion but didn't bother to read the FAQ are talking out of turn. JR, no offense, but you've never moderated this mess. The Classifieds are quite different from a regular forum.
  9. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    I've got mixed feelings on this. 1st off what BB says is final cause he's a Mod & I am not questioning him.

    I agree with what is said in the guidelines. The point of a thread is cause you don't have to pay eBay fees. They are getting costly. :(

    BUT, it could also be a nice advertisment (sp?) tool for TalkBass. On every eBay auction I list, I have a nice pictured link:

    <p><center><img src="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/images/vbull_logo_3.gif"><br>I am a proud member of <a href="http://www.talkbass.com">TalkBass.com.</a></center>

    When I 1st started using this link, I received a PM from Paul stating how there were so many new members that were signed up from eBay (or something like that) & he thanked me.

    Also, If I post an eBay ad (which I haven't in a while cause I knoe it's frowned upon) I always try to give a TBer a break like free shipping of free straplocks, etc.

    Like I said, I am not confronting you, BB. Just throwing some ideas your way.

    EDIT: Forgot that you can't use HTML in the classifieds. Click Here to see one of my old ebay auctions. The TB link is near the bottom right above the pictures of what I'm selling. People with phone line connections wait & see the TB banner for a while. LOL :)
  10. Blackbird

    Blackbird Moderator Supporting Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    Hey, Nino:

    I have seen your eBay auctions and the TalkBass link you add and I think it's great. I appreciate you sharing that info because hopefully some people will follow your example. Hopefully.

    Problem is, most people are not as zealous as you. Some are downright callous.

    Just because I said auction threads would be deleted doesn't mean that auctions are out of the question. Auctions can be posted under certain conditions clearly stated in the FAQ. I could repeat them here, but I won't. If a person doesn't have the presence of mind to read a thread that's designed to help them, I don't see why I should cut them any slack. I ain't changing anyone's diapers, I'm sorry.
  11. PhatBasstard

    PhatBasstard Spector Dissector Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2002
    Las Vegas, NV.
    Just pasted Nino's HTML into all my eBay auctions.

    Pretty slick.:cool:
  12. leftybassdog

    leftybassdog Senior Supporting Member

    Wow this is strange
  13. I think its a pretty lame rule. People are just trying to sell their stuff. whats so bad about it?
  14. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    they're trying to sell their stuff on someone else's nickel. talkbass costs money to run. all the folks here are here because this site is a good one, without clutter, trolls or popups, and the site's fast even under a pretty heavy load. that all costs a lot of money.

    it's pretty clearly explained in the faq. you might try reading it.
  15. phogchris

    phogchris www.scarsoflife.com

    May 27, 2000
    Boca Raton, FL
    I read the FAQ awhile ago, forgot the rule and posted an auction, I guess I am stupid...wow, I am glad this "community" allows moderators to call people stupid.
  16. PhatBasstard

    PhatBasstard Spector Dissector Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2002
    Las Vegas, NV.
    So how about making it OK as long as you insert the "Proud Member of TalkBass" logo and link into your description, or better yet (and not being a computer expert, I don't know how difficult it would be), how about having it be automatically inserted for all TalkBass members (and I don't see why anyone would object) when they hold an auction, just like with PayPal?
  17. bassmonkeee

    bassmonkeee Supporting Member

    Sep 13, 2000
    Decatur, GA
    No offense--the only place the word "stupid" appears in this thread is in your post (and, now in mine since I'm quoting you).

    No mod called anyone stupid.

    You forgot the rules. Period. That doesn't make it okay.

    I've tried that with a cop. "I forgot the speed limit."

    Didn't get me out of a ticket.

    It's always a good idea to reread the rules before you post--you never know when something might change, after all.

    It's Paul's dime, and Talkbass still isn't charging to post ads, unlike some other websites, to cover costs. The least you can do is follow the rules set out by Paul, and the mods.
  18. Blackbird

    Blackbird Moderator Supporting Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    Interesting idea, PB. It has a few wrinkles, though.

    1: It would be an extra thing for TBers to do when posting an auction. I don't think we have a right to make it mandatory, whether they post the link here or not.

    2: Some people still wouldn't do it. This whole auction deletion thing is in place to prevent people from registering just to post auctions. Not everyone who posts in the classifieds is a "proud" TalkBass member and they don't have to be. TB is not a cult.

    3: It would be an extra thing for me to do. I'd (or we'd, if I got co-mods) have to click on auction links to verify if the banner thingy was on the auction.

    This is just my opinion, but I am not sure links from auction sites, as nice a gesture as they might be, are a sure-fire way to get more supporting members. Nino posts the link on his auctions, but I'll be darned if I remember him ever posting a link to the auction in the classifieds, which brings me to another point.

    I am pretty sure that TBers are not exactly enthusiastic when it comes to buying other TBers' gear through auctions. If a TBer has something they absolutely want to sell through auction, which is more than their right to do, there's no reason to advertise it on TB.

    The only way I can see auctions being used as a service to TBers is by giving them a last chance in acquiring an item they might have missed.

    phogchris: I did not call you (or anybody) stupid, but explaining why would be tantamount to calling you stupid, so I won't do it.
  19. incognito89x

    incognito89x &#9834;&#9835;&#9834; &#9834; &#9834; &#9835;&#983

    Sep 22, 2002
    Royal Oak, Michigan
    How about allowing only supporting members to use ebay links. If nobody takes up an offer on something, the ebay link is posted. The person already put 20 bucks into the site, and nobody offered while on the forums.

    Just an idea. I'm fine with whatever rules are set :)
  20. Blackbird

    Blackbird Moderator Supporting Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    Another interesting idea, Incognito. Supporting members should be entitled to perks and the more perks they get, the more people will want to support. HOWEVER:

    1) I do not personally have the authority to create such a rule.

    2) If above rule were created, It would not prevent non supporters from posting and claiming the "didn't know" when the mod called them on it.

    3) The percentage of supporting members who post auctions is neglectable, so this idea would be a lot more work and not much perk.

    Why are people so keen on posting auctions anyway?

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