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Club Bergantino! Let's See Those Rigs!

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by needmoney, May 10, 2007.

  1. husky123

    husky123 Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 6, 2006
    Leesburg, VA
    Product Development Specialist for Bergantino Audio Systems
    Hate to say this but not just your E string, but everyone’s.

    The numbers never tell the whole story, Eddie. I can assure you that all those cabs listed can “handle” your low E....with authority or Jim wouldn’t have built them. Sure, they’re sealed but they deliver the lows in spades. Maybe others can chime in but I’d encourage you to put away the spec sheets and use ears, they’ll never let you down. Your eyes will.
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  2. I'd forget about specs and note the sound.... but, each to their own
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  3. jthisdell

    jthisdell Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2014
    Roanoke, VA
    That's the truth. I had an NV115, great cab, rated to 45hz. In a real life gig environment it had more low end than my CN112 that was rated to 40. I often had to turn the bass down on the NV115.

    I don't think your ears can really tell the difference between a cab rated at 41 or 45. There is a lot more going on than one simple rating. Sealed cabs tend to have a natural roll off in the very low end but that does not mean your ears will perceive it that way. And many players will use an hpf set higher than that anyways, especially with ported cabs.
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  4. Jim Bergantino

    Jim Bergantino Commercial User

    Feb 27, 2003
    Bergantino Audio Systems
    And you’re sure about that 35hz spec and what it means relative to all the others? ;-)
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  5. Eddie LeBlanc

    Eddie LeBlanc

    Oct 26, 2014
    Beaumont, Texas
    I know numbers can be extremely relative, and don't tell the whole story.
    I've never seen the frequency curve on the EPI or the Schroeders. And don't know if the specs are real numbers, or maybe rolled off at 10 dbs or even more.
  6. Jim Bergantino

    Jim Bergantino Commercial User

    Feb 27, 2003
    Bergantino Audio Systems
    Interesting but still doesn’t tell you much about the speaker. Given all specs and response curves are measured with a 1 watt input, it doesn’t tell you how much power before the speaker starts to compress. It also doesn’t tell you if the crossover is designed properly in a multi way design, nor does it tell you if the cabinet is tuned properly in a ported design. Again the only real useful measurement system to evaluate any amp or speaker is your ears. Just like when evaluating a bass. You play thru it and determine if it is the right tone, feel, etc before you buy it. And I’d be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that I could count on less then one hand how many speaker manufactures even measure their own cabs in this industry, let alone design them! There's a lot of great marketing companies out there and I'll leave it at that.
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  7. RocketMusic

    RocketMusic Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 31, 2007
    Blacksburg, VA
    Owner, Rocket Music
    I have a newfound love of high passing myself at 70 Hz. Maybe 60Hz if the room can take it. Once I attenuate that low end rumble, the rest of my sound gets to shine. It's soooo much easier to be heard in a band context. And it's nice to be able to hear the kick drum clear as a bell, too.

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  8. chadds


    Mar 18, 2000
    I think there’s no hard and fast rule. Why? The music genre and the instrumentation dictate how much low end is appropriate.

    A P slots great above drums when you have a B3 and horns. If you have nothing below the drums a big phat bass is more appropriate.
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  9. J2Kbass


    Nov 14, 2011
    Gainesville, FL
    In terms of low end - I have a 31 inch roscoe short scale that I've used for years. It's a five string tuned to b flat for gospel stuff. The downside was the lack of sustain on the low b... until... I started using the ref210 and ref112 I was shocked to hear the low b notes ACTUALLY ring longer. It was incredible.

    Here's a video of me using the B/amp at church on sunday. I'm using a music man stingray special 5HH that I just picked up, great bass. What I love most about the B/amp is that I can pair it with any speakers I want and still get what I want out of them. Of course it's better through the ref210 and ref112 but still.

    @Jim Bergantino - We spoke a couple of weeks ago while I was trying to set up my friend's B/amp. I applaud all you do and your equipment is second to none.

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  10. mikeluch

    mikeluch Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 30, 2004
    Ocala, FL
    I recently picked up a Forte HP and am really enjoying it. Now I am thinking moving back to Berg cabs, particularly the HDN 322 setup.
    I used to play the AE and CN series, and as some have said those cabs gave me my best sound. I am presently using a Barefaced BB2 and SM and use them separately and in combination
    Does anyone have some comparisons/feedback on the Barefaced vs. the Berg HDNs, with or without the Forte?
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  11. iwearpumas

    iwearpumas Supporting Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Middletown, NY
    I will say this, the HDN322 is the best cab setup I have ever played through. It’s so good, I haven’t even taken it out of my house yet because it sounds so good. I’m just not ready to unleash such a high quality sound on people yet.
  12. mmbass21

    mmbass21 Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2016
    I don't own a Forte HP but I own the HDN112, 212, 210 and BF One10, Two10s, recently sold a BB2. I would take any of the HDNs over the BB2, all have a more refined sound with more girth behind the notes. The BB2 was too flat for my likes and I didn't like the way the crossover worked with the horn. The Two10s is the cab I mostly use for local bars around here. I break out the 322 and 3x12 (I guess 322 as well) when I need to get louder with a little more mix cut, I'm currently running the WD800 with it all.
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  13. mikeluch

    mikeluch Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 30, 2004
    Ocala, FL
    Thanks, kind of how I feel about the BB. Find it very flat, too much to the FRFR side, not much character if you know what I mean.
    BTW, had the Mesa WD800 but really like the Berg. I find it easy to dial in
  14. jakka1

    jakka1 Supporting Member

    Jul 19, 2012
    I own a Big Twin II and a Two10. I put the Big Twin II up against the HDN when demoing the Forte HP. I greatly preferred the HDN212. There was more punch and clarity than the Big Twin II and I just preferred the the overall sound paired with the Forte HP. That experience has left me wanting to move into some Bergantino cabs. I am enjoying my tone more than ever with the Forte HP & it has brought new life to my Barefaced cabs. Currently, I have my Two10 up for sale to go towards a Bergantino cab. For now I am keeping the Big Twin II. Call me lazy, but I like the kick back cab with rollerblade wheels that I can just push/pull around. Who knows though... they both may eventually go.
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  15. mmbass21

    mmbass21 Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2016
    So you have the Two10 for sale on reverb lol. Surprised it's still there, good price on it. If I didn't get the HDN212 a few months ago I'd jump all over that. I was seriously considering going that route till a deal came about that I couldn't pass up.
  16. jakka1

    jakka1 Supporting Member

    Jul 19, 2012
    Yeah... that’s mine. I’ll trade it to you for that HDN212. ;)
  17. mmbass21

    mmbass21 Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2016
    Haha, HDN212 is such a good cab. Way different monster than the Two10s. Once I got it I decided it was the right way to go. I'll have to pass on the offer.;)
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  18. stephenb923

    stephenb923 Supporting Member

    Oct 1, 2014
    New York
    Wondering what you guys think of the best 410 set up using a Berg or multiple Bergs? I recently got a Reference 210 and really dig it. Thinking of adding the Ref112 to have as a set up, but i’m also curious to hear comparisons or experiences of Bergantino’s 410s. Seems like the HG410 is getting positive praise and a great 1 cab solution. I owned an HS410 that I really liked the sound of, but it was hard to fit in my sedan and decided to downsize. Just wondering people’s experiences with HS410, HDN410, HG410 or 2xREF210’s. I know some have neo and some have ceramic drivers and I think I lean more towards the ceramic sound, but maybe the HG’s are that good? Thanks.
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  19. bebass

    bebass Sho Me Music Commercial User

    Sep 3, 2006
    Bolivar, Missouri
    ShoMeMusic.com; Authorized dealer for Bergantino, Dingwall, Darkglass, Genzler, Phil Jones Bass, Quilter, Blackstar, Cort, Traynor, and other
    I have tried that combination and liked it. But not tried at gig, only at store.
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