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Club Bergantino! Let's See Those Rigs!

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by needmoney, May 10, 2007.

  1. GRoberts

    GRoberts Supporting Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    Tucson, AZ USA
    Enjoyed a Bass shoot out tonight using my Bergantino HDN112/Ref 210 Stack. #bestbasstoneever

    Sadowsky MetroExpress 5 ash/maple, 8 lbs of sonic butter
    Musicman Stingray Special 5
    Nordstrand VJ5 Modern.

    Bergantino HDN112
    Bergantino Reference 210
    Mesa WD-800 amp

  2. msb


    Jul 3, 2002
    Halifax,N,S. Canada
    The HDN210 arrived today , will be paired with a HDN112 . Running them with a Streamliner 900 and I'm looking forward to the weekend gigs to hear the rig at stage volume .

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  3. Beyond the B|Amp, I've used a Mesa M9 Carbine and a Jule Amps Monique into a QSC power amp. Size, weight, and extended functionality have me using the B|Amp almost exclusively these days.
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  4. BassPilot

    BassPilot Supporting Member

    Oct 14, 2016
    Novato, CA
    You might want to add a High Pass Filter after you run this rig a little while. The Streamliner can be pretty deep and using a HPF (I have the Broughton HPF/LPF - great unit) to hold the lows above ~40 Hz can really make a difference in the clarity of your sound.
    Congratulations - You're gonna love this rig!! :thumbsup:
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  5. Jim Bergantino

    Jim Bergantino Commercial User

    Feb 27, 2003
    Bergantino Audio Systems
    I don't understand why modern designs still incorporate the old passive tone stacks. Very un-intuitive and can be very misleading causing issues for those who don't understand how these passive tone stacks work. #Time_to_move_on! ;-}
  6. Big String

    Big String Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2000
    Northwest Indiana
    Rictose nice setup! I too love the NV115 I have two. Since I got my Quilter BB800 I've been able to use a single more often on smaller gigs. Prior to that the amps I was using couldn't do what the Quilter does with a single NV115. yada..

    I've been intrigued by the Noble for some time now. I'm assuming you're running that into the back of the WD800? Can you tell me how you like the WD800 into the NV without the Noble?
    The WD800 is one of the amps I'm curious about. Currently selling (in classifieds now) a beautiful Darkglass Microtubes 900 to try something else for a second choice or backup amp.
    For Sale/Trade - Darkglass Micotubes 900
    Thanks if you care to reply.
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2019
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  7. iwearpumas

    iwearpumas Supporting Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Middletown, NY
    Just curious, is there a reason why the Forte and B|amp have different frequencies?
  8. husky123

    husky123 Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 6, 2006
    Leesburg, VA
    Product Development Specialist for Bergantino Audio Systems
    EQ centerpoint frequencies? In what way? The B Amp has a quasi-parametric EQ whereas the forté is fixed frequency.
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  9. iwearpumas

    iwearpumas Supporting Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Middletown, NY
    The original frequencies.
  10. Jim Bergantino

    Jim Bergantino Commercial User

    Feb 27, 2003
    Bergantino Audio Systems
    Which original frequencies are you referring to? Still not sure I understand what you mean.
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2019
  11. iwearpumas

    iwearpumas Supporting Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Middletown, NY
    I thought one of the amps had a bass frequency of 63hz.
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  12. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    I use my CN312 (CN112+CN212) rig with several amps. Primary is the WD800 these days, but I have also used it with a (now sold) Demeter VTBP-M-800D and a Subway D800+. All sounded great with the 2 berg 12 loaded cabs but the WD800 won out.

    FWIW, I am also using a Noble DI and a Cali76CB into the front of the WD800 ... great combination. :thumbsup:

    I have also used my beloved Walkabout with the CN312 rig (shhhh, don't tell agedhorse) and that sounded wonderful as well.

    Berg cabs pretty much make any amp sound as good as it can sound IMO/IME.
  13. Thanks BigString. Yes the NV115’s are very nice and quite unique cabs. I was indeed running the noble through the effects return of the WD800. I’ve only had the Mesa a matter of months so I’m still learning its sound. It really is a control freaks dream. The tone shaping capabilities on this amp are eventually got me to open up my wallet. It doesn’t have that much tube character IMO. Not as much as would personally like anyways. Cranking the gain does get some distortion but not the sort I enjoy hearing. Running the Noble into the input of the WD800 gets me where I want to be straight away. Without the noble - this amp still sounds great - but in a typical class D kinda way. Compared to my Eden WT550 or GK800rb the tone is not as rewarding. But with careful EQ’ing this amp gets me most of the way to where I want to be tonewise. With the noble - it’s amazing. The noble would make any amp sound better IMO.
    To be honest I wish I had waited so I could have tried the Forte HP as it just looks amazing. The NV’s clearly benefit from power on tap and the Forte HP would probably be crushing with some NV115’s
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2019
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  14. You hit the nail on the head. Your cabs are the perfect example of this. I don’t need extra volume as the Berg clarity means I can hear every detail without bumping the volume. Especially useful when playing with horn players and I need to keep to volume down. Totally smitten with my HDN’s and NV’s. Thanks Jim
  15. Big String

    Big String Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2000
    Northwest Indiana
    Thanks that was most helpful and charged up my continued gas for the HP.
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2019
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  16. msb


    Jul 3, 2002
    Halifax,N,S. Canada
    I just picked up the HDN210 , and paired it with my HDN112 . It was not a loud gig , but I wanted to hear them together . The guitar player immediately commented on the clarity of the tone and the definition . I'll be bringing both cabs tonight , I play in the house band that does a weekly jam . We've been doing the gig for over twenty five years now . Hopefully I'll have some other bassists in the house and I'll have the opportunity to hear the rig out front . I've gotta say how happy I am with these cabinets , they sound gorgeous , and I smile every time I pick them up .
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  17. I think we’re all dreaming of a HP!
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  18. Shirley, there can be a B|Amp firmware update that bumps it up to 1200w :bag:
  19. Rocky55

    Rocky55 Supporting Member

    About 10 years ago, I bought an NV610 and paired it with a DB750. I, and everyone I played with absolutely loved it. I used it a few times as backline for shows where I was doing production and guest bass players were giddy when they saw and got to play through the rig. However, I'm on iem for 95% of my shows and used the rig maybe 30-50 times. I sold it earlier this year and replaced it with a B|AMP and Fearless F112.

    The reason for this was that I had been using a Fractal AX8 for the past year and wanted an FRFR cabinet to help in programming the pedal. The B|AMP / F112 is pretty amazing and has blown away every musician I have played with since January. I have since sold the AX8 and gone back to pedals (mostly Broughton) and added a Noble Preamp. Remember, I'm mostly on iem. But I like having a decent rig or 2 for when I do need an amp on stage.

    I was able to try out the following at L&M in Markham earlier this year and all sounded amazing:
    REF210, REF112, REF322, HG310, HG410, NV115. My favorite was definitely the REF322.

    I'm getting to my question(s)....
    Although the F112 sounds amazing (although almost too flat), I think I would like a modular rig for those times where a single 12 is not quite enough. For example, I used it as backline for this small fair on the weekend and a couple of the acts had it pretty much maxed out (I was keeping a close eye on my rig). I think I prefer the tone of the REF322 vs F112. I haven't heard the HDN line but love the weight factor.

    I was thinking or starting with a 112 cab, either REF or HDN to put under the F112.
    I will likely be selling the F112 at some point and replace it with another Berg. Although I think I might prefer the REF series, I'm a bit uneasy at the 54lbs 210.
    For those who have heard the different combinations, what are your thoughts on:
    REF322 vs HDN322 vs REF112/HG310 vs HDN112/HG310 vs HG410 vs HDN112/212?

    I saw a few pics in this thread where there was a Fearless cab next to Bergs. Anyone care to share their impressions regarding F112 and any Berg cab/combination? Volume, tone, etc.?

    Sorry for the long post. Ideally, I would have 1 of each Berg cab, but that's not going to happen. I also have a 70's V4-B that sounded great with the NV610 (I may have a line on another NV610), but think an HG cab might also sound great with it.

    Thanks in advance!
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  20. DLaunder


    Sep 8, 2010
    REF322 for the win - IMO. I too use IEMs for most of the gigs I have with a loud Classic Rock band and I'm always being told how clear and clean the bass cuts through. I use the B Amp to preset just a couple of stored tone profiles from The Who to the Beatles to 70's funk buttery smoothness. I've tried almost every Berg cab there is and settled on the Ref322 for the modular easy of shlep. The 210 is a bit hefty, but not overly so because it's a smaller "package". I had an AE410 for a bit and the weight along with the awkward size was what drove me to look at the 322 setup. Small gigs I bring either the 112 or the 210 depending on room size and for bigger outdoor gigs it the 322. Like I said in a previous posting, this setup covers all the gigs I'll ever see and the ceramics just sound better to my ear than the neos.
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