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Club Bergantino! Let's See Those Rigs!

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by needmoney, May 10, 2007.


  1. GRoberts

    GRoberts Supporting Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    Tucson, AZ USA
    I have to agree. Since I have a pair of HDN112's, I added a Ref 210 and then paired that with one of the HDN112's. It worked great even though the Ref 112 is the optimal match for the Ref 210. So essentially I have a modular Ref/HDN 322. It exceeds my expectations. :) I get the definition from the Ceramic 210 on top and the HDN 112 delivers a bit of 1x12 Punch down low.
     
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  2. Lepparda

    Lepparda

    Sep 21, 2016
    Agreed.
     
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  3. Iofflight

    Iofflight Supporting Member

    Jan 21, 2018
    The ref322 is what I went with being unable to try before I buy. I figured I couldn’t go wrong with it and I’m really happy having both a 112 and 210 either by themselves or as a combo. I am considering adding a HG310 as well for the upright.
     
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  4. So can anyone with experience with the older model berg amps compare with the new HP? Is the new power amp a big step up in tone even at low volume? I mean does it carry to low end better? Does it really have lead sled heft?
     
  5. husky123

    husky123 Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 6, 2006
    Leesburg, VA
    Product Development Specialist for Bergantino Audio Systems
    Hey there, at very low volumes you’ll find the forté, B Amp and forté HP all sound very, very similar. The difference starts to become readily apparent as you turn their masters past 9 o’clock, not necessarily in tone but feel. The HP just starts to impart its command over the situation. This leads to a bit of a different experience and, yes, IMHO it has that lead sled heft and feel for sure.
     
  6. jerry

    jerry Doesn't know BDO Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 13, 1999
    I still have the Bamp and playing at the same volume, I do a lot of palm muting and really can tell the difference in the heft of it. A lot of subtleties* in my playing are also more pronounced.

    *Mistakes too:D;)
     
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  7. GAS level for the HP reaching epic levels.
     
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  8. Eddie LeBlanc

    Eddie LeBlanc

    Oct 26, 2014
    Beaumont, Texas
    None
    Shameless Plug for something I discovered last night at a local gig.
    Played last nite at a local joint, been there many times. They have a two tiered stage, that resonates like a huge drum into the room. (POS stage to say the least) Terrible sound always. Always makes my Spectors sound like mud into the room. (BTW place is not large enough to be into the FOH sys)

    Last night I brought an Isolation Blocker Pad and placed under the cabs. It is made by Auralex and endorsed by Joe Bonamassa (did an intro show with him many years ago). Believe me it worked. It cleared the stage resonance, tightened the response of the Berg / Schroeder rig. And was a joy to play with. I was amazed at the character of the amp's response into the room (albeit a Berg B|Amp and Schroeder 12-12 L and 12PL cabs). Personally, I think we have never sounded so good in that room. And this is a 6 piece band.

    So you may have a need at times. I do say it worked. No wonder Joe endorses them.
    GreatGRAMMA™ v2 | Auralex Acoustics
     
  9. If I didn't know better, I'd say that was our local VFW. Auralex under my NV115 stack, plus judicious use of the high pass filter on the B|Amp, totally tamed the overpowering resonant frequency of that stage. NFI.
     
  10. ExaltBass

    ExaltBass Gold Supporting Member

    Sep 28, 2006
    Twin Cities, MN
    This morning’s office. I ran everything flat, and it was perfect!

    68C2D235-977F-485A-B1D8-C67A146296D2.
     
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  11. Huge thread ; maybe I posted before but here goes..,
     

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  12. I generally run my forte’ all flat .

    Never been outta living room .

    Have enjoyed plugging iPhone into aux-in and jamming along .

    Bought 1/4 to nu trick so as to enjoy other cabs thru my Berg

    Beginning to believe forte may be designed to run flat and adjust tone palette from your Basses . Opinions?
     
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  13. I think the Bamp is pretty much the same, tho I don't use it that way. Nearly, but I've slight boosts and cuts here and there. And I've saved different ones of those to different memory positions. I mainly use passive basses and even when I do use an active bass, the bass's eq stays pretty flat unless I need some onstage fix
     
  14. UpperBout

    UpperBout Supporting Member

    I've always tried to run my amps flat and let the bass tell the amp what it should sound like. I can't comment on the Forte, but one of the things I hear frequently & consistently about my stuff (Berg B|Amp + HD212 or B|Amp + 2xNV115) is, "Wow, it sounds great just running flat".

    In fact the only time I've run the B|Amp with a noticeable EQ live was when using another borrowed cabinet that was particularly wooly and needed some low cut and mid-boost.
     
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  15. Tried B| Amp against another brand then asked my better set of ears as B| was being demoed, which tone she preferred ... “That One sounds best!”
    B| was cloning forte’ . Decision made and not tied to computer for ever.

    On other rigs, I enjoy crafting tones ; using Furman PQ-3 or amps with broad tonal palette but on stage? Set it and forget it ! So forte’ allows me to explore my Basses, as previously I’d run my Basses full on and adjust nuances ( room) from amp .

    More tonal variance offered with my bases which have a mid -tone knob

    Both ways are great imho.
     
  16. I'm only 'tied ' to a computer IF I want to update firmware. Otherwise, it's a pretty stock standard amp.... unless you WANT to go accessing extra stuff.
     
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  17. Ideally I prefer 2 rigs into A B Y Box for broadest tonal palette . Also reversed for quick change: 2 Basses into 1 amp
     
  18. quindecima

    quindecima Supporting Member

    Sep 18, 2016
    Walterville, Oregon
    20190904_193014. NSD, I have been planning on upgrading my HD212 and here it is. Sounds absolutely stupendous, playing thru my NYC. 20190904_193014. I added the HD112 and WD-800
     
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2019
  19. wengr

    wengr

    Jul 21, 2010
    Hello. I'm having a problem with my new to me REF112. At anything above a very low volume, it make a buzzy distorted sound, and ofen a loud click at the attack of the note. It seems as if the driver is bad. Trying different heads, basses, cords etc and no difference. I see nothing physically wrong with the driver. So my questions are:
    How do do get the grill off? Do those screw covers just pop off?
    Also what exactly is the driver in case I have to replace it? And is this a common issue? The cab is like new.
     
  20. Jim Bergantino

    Jim Bergantino Commercial User

    Feb 27, 2003
    Bergantino Audio Systems
    When you say "new to me", did you purchase this new from an authorized dealer or used thru a 3rd party. That being said, you can pop the black snap caps off using a small flat head screw driver and underneath will be the screws fastening the grill on. It's possible the woofer magnet shifted during shipping if it was dropped hard enough. We have replacement woofers should you need one.
     
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