Converting a 2011 P-Bass to P/J Advice Needed

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by faulknersj, Apr 8, 2012.

  1. faulknersj

    faulknersj Inactive

    Apr 4, 2008
    Scottsdale Az
    I have a new 2011 Am Std Fender P-Bass and want to add a Jazz pup by the bridge (probably '70's Spacing). Any advice is appreciated as i have never done this before. I prefer the sound of single coils..that vintage 'bark'..but am concerned that i will get a lot of noise and buzz ...perhaps even with sheilding. Is that the case? I want the 3 controls to be volume + blend + tone. Thanks for reading!
     
  2. Kael

    Kael

    Dec 26, 2004
    Oklahoma City
    Maybe try dual Jazz pickups in 60's and 70's position. Use both to hum cancel, or just select one for true single coil.

    That's what I think I'd do anyways...
     
  3. faulknersj

    faulknersj Inactive

    Apr 4, 2008
    Scottsdale Az
    Aren't hum cancelling pickups split coil rather single coil pups?
     
  4. faulknersj

    faulknersj Inactive

    Apr 4, 2008
    Scottsdale Az
    @Kael...that is kind of a cool idea!!
     
  5. BassBob1

    BassBob1

    Dec 21, 2010
    I'm pretty sure a true single coil will give you at least some hum. With that said when I solo or favor one of the pickups on my American standard jazz the hum is hardly noticeable and in a band setting virtually non-existent. I have searched this topic here quite a bit because I might like to do this at some point when I can swing getting another bass. Seems the consensuses here is that the P-pickup with over power the J pickup no matter what kind you get. All it will do is give you the effect of two pickups, the more you blend in the J the more mid-scooped your sound will get and when you favor the J it will sound (obviously) like a bridge position J pickup. If you want to avoid 60 cycle hum all together I would just go with a noiseless J pickup (either dual or stacked). As far as Kael's idea, you can't put a jazz in both positions because the difference is only a 1/4 of an inch. You could how ever go Berry Oakley style and do this:
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    or on a P bass it looks like this (pretty much what Kael meant (I think) but its a J in the 60's position and another J in between the other J and the bridge).
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  6. faulknersj

    faulknersj Inactive

    Apr 4, 2008
    Scottsdale Az
    Awesome!! Thanks bassbob1! Anyone know a bridge jazz pup known for really high output? One that might hang with a P- pup as much as possible?
     
  7. BassBob1

    BassBob1

    Dec 21, 2010
    If I remember correctly, you want to look for one with the highest resistance. I remember the Dimarzio Ultra Jazz coming up I little bit in a thread I was reading. I think its resistance is 12K. The thread also said that its mid-scooped voicing paired well with the Mid bump of a P. I'm just passing on what I have read here. A search here will probably give you much more in depth info.
     
  8. faulknersj

    faulknersj Inactive

    Apr 4, 2008
    Scottsdale Az
    Thank you very much for the info.
     
  9. Duckwater

    Duckwater Guest

    May 10, 2010
    USA, Washington
    That's a cool idea, I think I might do that to my P/J bass. Thanks.
     
  10. I say sell it and buy a used Jazz Bass if you are not fond of this type of sound. Your mod is going to cost you a lot of money and affect the value of your bass. It's the lesson I've learner after 30 yrs of bass playing. I've often regretted those kind of experiments in retrospect.
     
  11. faulknersj

    faulknersj Inactive

    Apr 4, 2008
    Scottsdale Az
    I hear ya Frenchy-Lefty. I have 4 Jazz basses and they are my go to axes. But it is nice to have a P in the stable. I play music for a living full time so any expense is a tax right off. I also buy basses to play and understand that resale is effected. This P is the most resonant P i have ever played. It is crazy resonant! It setup beautifully It will be my P for a long time. The addition of a bridge pup would make it more versatile and better suited for my needs as a player...specifically...it will aid me in the tone i need for all the old school funk and soul i play a lot of. For me, the right bridge pup could make this bass a real go to.
     
  12. RaginRog

    RaginRog Last guy you want to see is Employee Relations guy

    Nov 29, 2009
    Formerly Staten Island
    I would suggest going with a SD spb-1 with the SD stk j at the bridge position. They sre very close in output, so you don't have an overpowering p pickup...plus the stk j is hum cancelling.

    They also sound really nice.
     
  13. faulknersj

    faulknersj Inactive

    Apr 4, 2008
    Scottsdale Az
    Thanks for the info!!
     
  14. Baird6869

    Baird6869 Supporting Member

    I wouldnt ruin the value of a new $1200 bass with this mod.

    Buy a used bass or a less expensive one IMO.
     
  15. faulknersj

    faulknersj Inactive

    Apr 4, 2008
    Scottsdale Az
    Fwiw...once again...i appreciate the sentiment but i Buy basses to be played. It is how i make a living. The better a bass plays and sounds, the more valuable it is to me. I understand that the value will be effected, but i think this bass will be even more unbelievable if i can blend some barky bridge tone into the exsistant huge P tone.
     
  16. parsons

    parsons

    Feb 22, 2008
    Maryland
    This. But I would ad my own twist. I use the sd spb2 and the stk2 for more mids, you said you like mids and they'll give it to you. You can also use a push/pull pot for the J vol to put the bridge pickup in series or parallel. This setup truly kicks arse. My custom modded Jaguar has these two pickups, a three way switch (a blend knob is useless IMO) and two volumes with the J pickup on a push pull pot for changing the bridge coil wiring. No tone, but you can add one if you'd like.
     
  17. impactwrench

    impactwrench Guest

    Feb 22, 2009
    I say knock yourself out. I had planned to turn 2 P's into P/J's but ended up selling both instead. If fender wont make them that way again, DIY!
     
  18. Kael

    Kael

    Dec 26, 2004
    Oklahoma City
    One other thought..

    I played a P/J that had Vol/tone Vol/tone stacked knobs a while back. Normally I dislike that setup. On that bass however it worked quite well. I really liked turning the bridge J on full blast, rolling all the tone off the P pickup and then blending in the P till the two pickups were evenly matched. It was a very nice blend of Jaco burp with old school motown thump. Might want to consider tone knobs for each pickup.

    I actually might try a master vol, vol/tone, vol/tone setup too. I like having a master volume knob when I can.
     
  19. faulknersj

    faulknersj Inactive

    Apr 4, 2008
    Scottsdale Az
    I put flats...well chromes on her last night and i think i might have found exactly what i was looking for! Ill know after i hear the bass in the mix at tomorrow nights gig. Ill shoot some video and will welcome feedback!