Cool Effect Idea

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by JJBass30, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. JJBass30

    JJBass30

    Jul 6, 2007
    So I was thinking wouldn't it be cool to have a pedal that would split your signal in a way that one output would be all high end and the other would be all low end and for it to have a knob to determine at what frequency that split would happen. Im thinking it could be used as some sort of blend and could counter the effects of tonesucking pedals. This could currently be done with a signal splitter and two EQ's but wouldn't it be easier with one box. Let me know if this exists cause I would very much like to have one.
     
  2. dannybuoy

    dannybuoy

    Aug 3, 2005
    Earth
    Paralooper pedal is a blend with high-pass and low-pass filters in it. There's also a stereo chorus pedal with crossover made by Peavey I think.
     
  3. JJBass30

    JJBass30

    Jul 6, 2007
    Ill have to check those out
     
  4. JJBass30

    JJBass30

    Jul 6, 2007
    Yea the paraloopers similar to what im talking about but its a bit diffrent. The advantage to splitting the signal would be to apply it only to ur top end not to mix it with a clean signal
     
  5. I'm sure that I am missing something, but aren't you just describing a variable crossover? Are you just saying it would be cool to have one in a pedal formfactor?
     
  6. one

    one

    Aug 21, 2006
    Boston.UK
    I understood what he was describing as a variable crossover too.
     
  7. mambo4

    mambo4

    Jun 9, 2006
    Dallas
    Reminds me of my old trick:

    Take the tuner out of my bass rig, and plug it into a guitar amp, using all my pedals with the guitar amp. Lets me use the guitar distortion too. I'd set my guitar amp bass knob to 0.

    awesome effects tones , no loss of bass tone at all...

    That worked great in a trio, These days I'm in larger bands, more appropriate with a pretty clean bass signal....
     
  8. JJBass30

    JJBass30

    Jul 6, 2007
    I didn't know there was a term for it. So there are pedals that do this?
     
  9. Well I'm not sure if there are any in pedal form. They are usually rack systems as there isn't typically a need to toggle them fullrange/split for the systems they are usually used for (PAs, DJ setups, etc.)

    Like Dannybuoy said, Peavey used to make a chorus pedal with a built-in crossover, but I think they are hard to find these days. Rolls used to make a really tiny one that you could fit on a pedalboard, you'll have to look around to see if they still do so. (I'm sure Behringer probably has something similar as well)

    edit: Here's the Rolls item I was thinking of. You won't be able to switch it to full-range from two-way and it might need a line level signal, but they should be cheap enough to be worth experimenting with.
     
  10. JJBass30

    JJBass30

    Jul 6, 2007
    thx that is exactly what i was thinking of
     
  11. dannybuoy

    dannybuoy

    Aug 3, 2005
    Earth
    Think of the Paralooper as a crossover and mixer combined - the main output will contain the low frequency content and the fx send will contain the high frequency content. If you choose to plug that into a guitar amp instead of the Paralooper's fx return socket, then it's basically just a crossover.
     
  12. WARNING: My engineers hat IS on my head as I write this!

    Technically the Paralooper isn't a crossover. A crossover literally splits the signal into two (or more) distinct frequency bands - the high frequency element doesn't contain any low frequencies and vice versa. The Paralooper doesn't "split" the signal - it just mixes a low frequency portion of the 'dry' signal into the 'wet' signal from the fx loop. The signal going to the fx loop is still full range.

    Having said that, it's bloody awesome and y'all should make one for yourselves!

    ...hat comes off...
     
  13. dannybuoy

    dannybuoy

    Aug 3, 2005
    Earth
    I thought there was a high pass filter on the fx loop and a low pass on the clean signal so if you set both filters to the same frequency it's effectively a crossover?
     
  14. Well, not on the schematic I've seen - it's just a low pass filter and the buffered fx return feeding a mixer.
     
  15. EADG mx

    EADG mx

    Jul 4, 2005
    You could just get an A/B or Boss LS3 etc and bi-amp it, then EQ the two amps to suit your taste/the room. I've seen guys do this before.
     
  16. JJBass30

    JJBass30

    Jul 6, 2007
    yea i mentioned that in the very beggining I was just curious if had been done with a single pedal
     
  17. dannybuoy

    dannybuoy

    Aug 3, 2005
    Earth
    paralooper04sm.jpg

    There you go. Switchable HP filter on the fx loop, so you should be able to use this a crossover in a bi-amp setup too, sending the lows to one amp and the highs to another. :bassist:
     
  18. EADG mx

    EADG mx

    Jul 4, 2005
    That is a single pedal.:confused:
     
  19. JJBass30

    JJBass30

    Jul 6, 2007
    Sry i misread what u said i though u mean split the signal and using something like 2 boss bass eq pedals. I missed the whole amp part my bad
     
  20. EADG mx

    EADG mx

    Jul 4, 2005
    Oh, I see. Well you could do that, but I was thinking of using 2 combo amps with the built in EQ on each. Or you could use 2 stacks but that could be expensive and not necessary in most situations (depending on who you are of course).