Copyright issues on YouTube for bass covers

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by Stagelab, Jun 3, 2020.

  1. Stagelab

    Stagelab

    Dec 26, 2015
    Brooklyn, NY
    I just posted a bass cover of a song by a famous band. The cover included the original track. The video got banned within minutes on YouTube for copyright issues. There are thousands of covers of this band's songs on YouTube. Is this a case where bands' publishers catch who they can through automated means and those they can't track down just get left alone until they're found?
     
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  2. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Vestal, NY
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    No idea, I uploaded a couple of versions of a cover song (Rolling Stone's "Sister Morphine") a couple of years ago with worries about copyright stuff, but I haven't ever had any issues with it. Maybe just because of obscurity - nobody watches my videos anyway. :)
     
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  3. Stagelab

    Stagelab

    Dec 26, 2015
    Brooklyn, NY
    yeah, same here. Feel free to post a video here and I’ll check it out. My banned one was Dont Let Me Down. I got Paul’s tone down pretty good with some EQ and my old P bass.
     
  4. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Vestal, NY
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  5. Stagelab

    Stagelab

    Dec 26, 2015
    Brooklyn, NY
    Thanks, I checked it out.

    Here's mine: David Kross
     
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  6. KaseOfBass

    KaseOfBass Put some stank on it... Supporting Member

    Jan 8, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    I’ve often wondered if videos are removed from some channels and not others because that particular channel is monetized. Mine is not and I’ve never had anything removed. I get copyright notices, but all my videos have remained.
     
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  7. jmattbassplaya

    jmattbassplaya Supporting Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    Monetization is part of it, as is the artist in question. Certain artists like Prince, Led Zeppelin, and The Beatles are notorious for taking down any material of theirs that gets posted. Rick Beato has talked about it a few times. If you don’t know him you should check him out.
     
  8. fourstringdrums

    fourstringdrums Decidedly Indecisive Supporting Member

    Oct 20, 2002
    Massachusetts
    Hell, Lee Sklar had a few of his videos of James Taylor tunes removed and he played on the recordings.
     
  9. Michedelic

    Michedelic MId-Century Modern

    That he played on those originally is irrelevant; it’s the call of the label or publishing.
     
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  10. Oddly

    Oddly

    Jan 17, 2014
    Dublin, Ireland.
    In the Sklar/Taylor case, I got the impression from James' response that even he himself could have posted and got hit with a copyright ban!
    Seems like it's essentially down to money...if you've a popular channel and the potential to monetize it, that seems to attract YouTube's little algorithm a lot quicker.
    Also, some artists' publishers just seem more aggressive...Van Morrison for one.
     
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  11. callofcthulhu

    callofcthulhu

    Oct 16, 2012
    Playing a recorded song in a public space is considered a performance and the owner of the song is entitled to royalties for any performance.

    YouTube counts as a public place, just like the venue your cover band might play at.

    In the venue owner's case, they pay a blanket fee to the rights holding organizations and everyone considers bygones bygones.

    In YouTube's case they've put the ball in the license holder's court: either collect royalties by redirecting some percentage (up to and including 100%) of the ad revenue generated by the performance to them instead of the person performing it (i.e. you), or to withhold/withdraw the license to perform altogether, at their discretion.

    Likely, since you're not generating any ad revenue, they've automatically defaulted to option 2.

    It's a ******** system, but that's the way it works.

    Try putting a subtle modulation like a phaser or filter sweep on the backing track, (or even a pitch/tempo shift if you can still play to it) if you want to try and hide from the algorithm. Or use a MIDI performance version instead. Note that you will still be in violation of the law, these are just techniques to try and keep the fuzz off your trail.

    Fair Use does allow for performance for non-monetized educational purposes. So if you show a closeup on your fretting hand and rebrand the performance as a "lesson" you might be able to convince a human that you're in the clear. But from what I understand you'll have to fight your way through a lot of robots before a human will even hear your case.
     
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  12. cnltb

    cnltb

    May 28, 2005
    I never understood why people feel the need to record themselves playing bass along to a piece of music and then post it on social media.
     
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  13. stringthrough

    stringthrough Supporting Member

    It's happening more and more frequently. I can no longer post videos of my bands covering famous tunes. I now shell out a few $$ per year and use Vimeo.
     
  14. callofcthulhu

    callofcthulhu

    Oct 16, 2012
    Because other people like to watch?
     
  15. cnltb

    cnltb

    May 28, 2005
    I guess some do, yes.
     
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  16. Spidey2112

    Spidey2112

    Aug 3, 2016
    $99 out of 100, says this is true.*

    * My percentage sign was recently sold in a yard sale.
     
  17. callofcthulhu

    callofcthulhu

    Oct 16, 2012
    "Some"

    As in "millions"?

    e.g.:

     
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  18. Spidey2112

    Spidey2112

    Aug 3, 2016
    As a matter of... record? Lol!

    One of my band's is a little more in limbo, than the other. Drummer stated he'd like a few video/audio recordings of the more difficult songs we play... mainly for posterity, to show others how much time we had put into these songs... I don't mind doing this. Still playing music, right? Obviously, there's some pride there, too.

    I have no idea who 'others' are, but if the videos capture my good side, I want a copy.
     
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  19. cnltb

    cnltb

    May 28, 2005
    You may be the numbers person on this. I most certainly am not.
     
  20. cnltb

    cnltb

    May 28, 2005
    Well ok then; If the video is made to demonstrate how a certain piece of equipment performs in a certain context, it may indeed benefit those interested in that particular piece of equipment.
    Even more so, if a shot is included showing the settings that gets one the tone in question.