Crackling sound from Ampeg SVT CL

Hey everyone,

I recently acquired an SVT CL. It was made in 2003 according to the serial number. The seller said it recently had 6 new power tubes installed, and it sounded fine when I played it before buying it. However, it has begun making this crackling noise when I play:



Does anyone know what that could be? This happens regardless of the bass, cable, or speaker I use, so I have pretty well isolated it as the amp.

There is also something that almost sounds like a slap back echo that happens sometimes, as well as the level cutting to quieter sometimes.

Any help would be very much appreciated!
 
I'll add that the bottom lights for each bias are green, and the top ones light up red when I play. I had the impression that that was correct.

I've been mainly playing the amp with the master all the way up and controlling the level with the gain as Ampeg recommends. I've mostly had it at about 9:00.
 
Does the noise change with the input gain or master volume controls?

Hey thanks for jumping in!

So here's what happened when I tried it:

I turned on the amp in its normal settings (master at max, gain at 9).

Let it sit in standby for about 30 seconds as normal.

Switched Standby to On or "play". At this point I heard some rustling, crackling noises through the speaker before even playing, which has happened before.

Started playing. At first no problem, which has been typical. After about a minute of playing the problem began to exhibit. First just a little pop or scratch here and there and then within 20 seconds it was reproducing the issue to its full extent.

Turned both the gain and Master to 11:00. The issue still occurred but to a lesser extent.

Turned the Gain to 1:00 and the Master down further. Issue vanished completely. Eventually I maxed out the Gain, and still the issue did not occur.

Now here's the interesting part: when I returned the amp to Master at full and Gain at 9:00, the issue did not return. It played beautifully from then on. Granted, this whole test period was about 10 minutes total.
 
You can safely rule out the power tubes, and the two tubes that make up the phase inverter/driver stage.

Two things to try before doing anything else:

1. With the power off, rotate each knob fully on and off 10 times.

2. Cycle a plug into and out of the power amp for mount jack 10 times.

Try it and see if the symptoms are gone.
 
If you don't have an electronics background, strongly consider taking the amp to a qualified technician. This is for your safety and also for the amp's safety.

Not a lot your can do without the necessary background and test equipment. Here are things you can consider.

Check the bias. The indicators should be green with the amp idling. It's normally for red to flash when you play. If the bias is set close to the red threshold, red may flicker when the amp makes the noise.

Try moving the amp off the speaker. Sounds like the crackle may relate to vibration.

Check each jack and control to see if they wiggle. If yes, do they make noise? Probably job for a tech.

Try inserting a jumper from the Pre Out to the Power Amp in. Also try the jumper in the effects loop. Sometimes a switching contact get dirty or bent. If this is the problem you can use the jumper until the next time you have the amp serviced.

The following requires working inside the amp. Tubes get scalding hot and the SVT has lethal voltages inside. If you decide to proceed, let the amp cool off and then reseat all of the tubes. If the noise continues, try the chopstick test. This involves lightly tapping each tube with the amp set to operate and controls set to a normal playing level. The idea is to identify tubes that may be mechanically compromised.

If you identify a bad small signal tube, you can replace all of the 12AX7s with another 12AX7, 7025, ECC83, etc. Before replacing the 12AU7 drivers tubes, set the bias for minimum current in the output tubes. The reason to do this is because the bias goes through the drivers. If you install stronger tubes, the o6550s may pull too much current. After replacing the drivers, set the bias per the owner's manual.


If you identify a bad 6550, you could try rolling in another 6550. However, the tubes really should be reasonably matched. Ideally you would install a matched trio of tubes on the side with the noisy tubes. Before pulling the noisy tube, set the bias for minimum current and then perform the bias procedure after installing the new tube(s).

SVT CLs monitor all of the output tubes individually. The tubes are organized in two sets of three. Each trio of tubes has a dedicated circuit to adjust and monitor the bias current.

For green all three tubes in the circuit must be pulling at least 15mA. Red occurs if one or more tubes pulls 30mA or more. So as you see the CL is not super picky about matching.

If you get Red before Green the matching is really bad. If you get Red but can't get Green, one of the tubes is dead or extremely weak.

My advice for the future. Assume a tube amp will need a new set of output tubes. This means budgeting about $500 for an SVT to cover a matched sextet of 6550s and a bench fee to set the bias and give the amp a quick check up. The actual cost may be more or maybe the amp will give you years of service before it has a problem.
 
You can safely rule out the power tubes, and the two tubes that make up the phase inverter/driver stage.

Two things to try before doing anything else:

1. With the power off, rotate each knob fully on and off 10 times.

2. Cycle a plug into and out of the power amp for mount jack 10 times.

Try it and see if the symptoms are gone.

Wow OK thank you, I'll try that tomorrow. For #2 do you mean just take a guitar cable and plug it into the Power Amp In jack on the back 10 times? Not the Preamp Out one?
 
Turned the Gain to 1:00 and the Master down further. Issue vanished completely. Eventually I maxed out the Gain, and still the issue did not occur.

Gain comes before the Master. Master is near the end of the preamp. So if you turn the Master down, any noise generated in the preamp should be turned off.

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If you don't have an electronics background, strongly consider taking the amp to a qualified technician. This is for your safety and also for the amp's safety.

Not a lot your can do without the necessary background and test equipment. Here are things you can consider.

Check the bias. The indicators should be green with the amp idling. It's normally for red to flash when you play. If the bias is set close to the red threshold, red may flicker when the amp makes the noise.

Try moving the amp off the speaker. Sounds like the crackle may relate to vibration.

Check each jack and control to see if they wiggle. If yes, do they make noise? Probably job for a tech.

Try inserting a jumper from the Pre Out to the Power Amp in. Also try the jumper in the effects loop. Sometimes a switching contact get dirty or bent. If this is the problem you can use the jumper until the next time you have the amp serviced.

The following requires working inside the amp. Tubes get scalding hot and the SVT has lethal voltages inside. If you decide to proceed, let the amp cool off and then reseat all of the tubes. If the noise continues, try the chopstick test. This involves lightly tapping each tube with the amp set to operate and controls set to a normal playing level. The idea is to identify tubes that may be mechanically compromised.

If you identify a bad small signal tube, you can replace all of the 12AX7s with another 12AX7, 7025, ECC83, etc. Before replacing the 12AU7 drivers tubes, set the bias for minimum current in the output tubes. The reason to do this is because the bias goes through the drivers. If you install stronger tubes, the o6550s may pull too much current. After replacing the drivers, set the bias per the owner's manual.


If you identify a bad 6550, you could try rolling in another 6550. However, the tubes really should be reasonably matched. Ideally you would install a matched trio of tubes on the side with the noisy tubes. Before pulling the noisy tube, set the bias for minimum current and then perform the bias procedure after installing the new tube(s).

SVT CLs monitor all of the output tubes individually. The tubes are organized in two sets of three. Each trio of tubes has a dedicated circuit to adjust and monitor the bias current.

For green all three tubes in the circuit must be pulling at least 15mA. Red occurs if one or more tubes pulls 30mA or more. So as you see the CL is not super picky about matching.

If you get Red before Green the matching is really bad. If you get Red but can't get Green, one of the tubes is dead or extremely weak.

My advice for the future. Assume a tube amp will need a new set of output tubes. This means budgeting about $500 for an SVT to cover a matched sextet of 6550s and a bench fee to set the bias and give the amp a quick check up. The actual cost may be more or maybe the amp will give you years of service before it has a problem.

Thank you! I certainly will not be opening this thing up myself haha. It did have 6 new power tubes installed before it was sold to me so that's good at least.

It's interesting that the issue went away after a while, or after turning the Gain up and the Master down.

I'll try sticking cables into jacks and turning the knobs and report back. I just hope there's nothing catastrophically expensive afoot here!
 
Agedhorse will probably correct me but, I was under the impression that warm up time on a tube amp should be at least 5 minutes idle time??
A minute or two should be fine, 5 minutes won’t hurt anything.
 
Try reseating the preamp tubes. Rough transport can cause them to move. They are inside the top chassis and require some disassembly to access. If in doubt, have a tech do it. If the problem persists, swap them out one at a time starting with V1 near the input jacks. While the preamp is open carefully reseat the ribbon connector if it is not sitting properly.

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Definitely perform agedhorse's suggestion. Consider doing step 1, then testing it and if the problem persists, then perform step 2. Hey, even if the problem is resolved, do step 2 anyway. The power amp in jack is also a switch that has the preamp out signal flowing through it. The physical insertion of a plug into the power amp in jack breaks the "normal" connection from the preamp. In effect, you're turning the switch off and on a handful of times. If this is the problem and you need this head to be reliable, you may eventually want to have a tech replace the jack. All of which reminds me, I need to do this on the small Allen & Heath (master out inserts) mixer I use for a performing keyboard rig.
 
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You can safely rule out the power tubes, and the two tubes that make up the phase inverter/driver stage.

Two things to try before doing anything else:

1. With the power off, rotate each knob fully on and off 10 times.

2. Cycle a plug into and out of the power amp for mount jack 10 times.

Try it and see if the symptoms are gone.

Unfortunately the issue remained after trying these steps.

After about 3.5 minutes of playing the issue went away. During that time I lowered the Master and raised the Gain, but the issue remained. Even with the Gain maxed and the Master very low it was still happening. Then I brought it back to maximum Master and Gain at 9:00 and it persisted for about another 30 seconds and then went away.

I'm not sure if adjusting the knobs in this way had anything to do with making the issue go away or if it was simply the length of play time that did it.

This video shows the whole troubleshoot

You'll see that after about the 3:30 mark the issue is gone. I just go on playing to make sure.