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D-410XLT sideways

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by ROCKBOBMEL_old, Nov 26, 2001.


  1. I finally got my 1971 SVT back from the shop. Someone did a hack cap job and hot melted the power supply caps into place. Oh, also, it didn't work, so it needed an overhaul.
    So I get it home and I want to put it on my 4-10XLT and my 2-10XLT. This thing is heavy and hard to lift up high, so I placed the 4-10 on it's side, and the 2-10 rightwise on top, then the head. It sounds great and I like the way it looks too.
    I am hoping that I could play out with it like this. Do
    you think there will be any problems with the ports, one being vertical and the other horizontal?
     
  2. BigBohn

    BigBohn

    Sep 29, 2001
    WPB, Florida
    You know, thats funny I was flipping the channels and wound up watching MTV's Cribs TV show, which is a show composed of cameramen going to celebrity houses. Well, they were some guy from PODs house, and they showed a shot of his garage, which was where the band practiced, and a bass rig with some Eden amplifier, not sure maybe a WT-800 or something, and it was hooked up to a Eden D-410XLT on its side, on top of a case of some sort. It was interesting to see it like this. The only advantage I would see of someone using it that way is that maybe the dispersal of the sound signal would be at a higher degree left to right, rather than up to down as the cabinet is constructed. That's probably the most logical explanation. If it works, rock on!:D
     
  3. I didn't mean a problem with the ports themselves, but with sound wave interference, or phase cancellation out on the dance floor.

    It sounds killer in my livingroom, but I can't crank it past 9 oclock.

    BTW, both cabs are 8 ohm each.
    I get a lot more with the speaker output to cab to cab, rather the using the ext. speaker out for the second one.
     
  4. Hey Bob, sorry to hear you had repair troubles with the SVT. Everything's OK with the amp now is it? Turning the cabs sideways shouldn't make any noticeable difference. Where the ports are located makes minimal (if any) difference. About the cab-cab wiring thing: If both cabs are 8 ohms you need to come out of the main speaker output and jump between the two cabs. This presents a 4 ohm load to the 4 ohm tap on the op transformer. This is good. When you plug a 1/4 inch connector into the EXT out, it ungrounds the 4 ohm tap and uses the two ohm tap. So if you run an 8 ohm cabinet off each speaker jack you're driving a 4 ohm load with the 2 ohm tap. This isn't ideal. That being said, it probably won't damage the amp or speakers. You won't get the full power out of the amp and there is a chance that it could do some damage in the long term. It's not surprising that the amp sounds better with the speakers wired cab to cab. What I did was rewire my Goliath III to be 2 ohms, then I used a dummy 1/4 inch jack (with lots of pvc tape around the leads!) in the main output and connected the cab to the EXT out. Voila! 2 ohm box, 2 ohm tap. Note To everyone: I wouldn't reccommend doing this kind of thing unless you're comfortable working with electronics and know what you're doing!
    So Bob, in general how are you liking the SVT? Are you convinced that it will be loud enough yet? :D
     
  5. MikeyD

    MikeyD

    Sep 9, 2000
    You have to watch out playing in those places with polarized air molecules. They come out of the ports with one polar orientation and when you stack the cabinets sideways to each other, the cross-polarizations cancel and leave a minuscule void in space-time, which then collapses into a singularity, or black hole. It could mean the end of the universe as we know it. ;) Is Mikey serious??
    - Mike
     
  6. What's the SPL at the tuning frequency of the cabinet at the event horizon? :p
     
  7. MikeyD

    MikeyD

    Sep 9, 2000
    I'm glad someone asked. Expressed in complex numbers, it's -893.2 + j9138.07 dB. It's the imaginary part that dominates, so I'll leave it to the imagination what it sounds like.
    - Mike
     
  8. Spacegoat:
    The tone and volume I'm getting is exactly what I wished for, although I did not really expect it. I am getting that old Alice in Chains's Michael Starr sound-easily. I have not yet played out with it but it should cut it. It already seems to keep up with the EdenWT1000, but I'm just going by memory, and comparing tube to tran, well, you know how that goes.
    Thanks for the clarification on the ohm tap stuff. It makes sense now. Using the cabs daisy chained into the one speaker out makes a BIG difference.
     
  9. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    I run my D210XLT like this on shallow stages and it works very well. I thought I noticed a tightening of the bottom (maybe just slightly less).
     
  10. boogiebass

    boogiebass

    Aug 16, 2000
    No probelmo, Bobby. Killer rig.
     
  11. mikemulcahy

    mikemulcahy

    Jun 13, 2000
    The Abyss
    No problem at all, I run both of mine upside down so the wheels go up and stay on top of the 118 cabs.


    Mike
     
  12. Rickenbackerman

    Rickenbackerman

    Apr 17, 2001
    Laurel MD
    I use two 410XLT's and stack them on their sides so I don't have to remove all the casters. Sounds great, works fine. Nice rig by the way!
     
  13. Just curious, Don't your casters pop out? If mine didn't, I would surely duck tape them. Any rattle would make me mental!

    I wish I could send pics, but I can't with webtv.
     
  14. mikemulcahy

    mikemulcahy

    Jun 13, 2000
    The Abyss
    Actually Bob they dont, I replaced the small factory casters with a larger set to make them a little easier to roll around. I dont hear any rattle, accept from when I really crank it and you can hear the drummers teeth rattle.


    Mike
     
  15. This is really interesting. I'm going to have to try this with my Eden 4x10. I first got curious about it last month, when I went to see Mike Watt and he had two Eden 4x10s stacked on their sides. I asked him about it in his forum, and he said the stack was just more stable that way. But I had wondered if there might be any sonic advantages.
     
  16. EString

    EString

    Nov 20, 2000
    Los Altos, CA
    Plenty of folks put their cabs on their sides. I think some of the older Ampeg 8x10s had casters on the side instead of on the bottom.

    It might even be a little better to place the cab on its side because more surface area is in contact with the floor.