Damn guitarists

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Mr.QuakQuak, Jul 22, 2003.

  1. See the problem is my friend I play with with is getting a new amp soon. He said 100 watts so my 10 watt combo won't cut it anymore. I'll blow it up trying to even get a chord in ! So what I'm looking for is a small jamming/gig rig. I'm thinking a good head and a 2x10 or something other then a 2x10 since suggestions are welcome. I want to keep this under $1000 US. I play rock, some metal, little jazz, and funk/swing I make up.I really don't know how many watts to look for but I know over 300. He won't be getting the new amp till Christmas so it gives me time to get the money untill then. No way in hell I'll get a $1000 gift for the birthday of Jesus ;)

    Please anyone who can offer suggestions help :).

  2. Kheos


    Aug 12, 2002
    my hartke vx3500 combo was just 890€ which is about the same in $.
    350 watt, 4*10 + 1"
    10 band graph
    2 contour shape controls
    tube & mosfet preamp
  3. adamaarts


    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    carvin r1000 head used for about $450, and an avatar 4x10. that'll do
  4. I wish I could get $1000 to spend on amplification!Ah anyway, were it me...I'd get a Sansammp RBI(People rave about these things, my SansAmp BDDI is shipping now....Can't wait.)

    I've get the biggest poweramp I could afford, I'd say a QSC RMX 1450 would thump...
    Avatar 2x12 Kappa - Well...It'll give you the full sounded bass that could be an asset(Or could be annoying to you, I dunno)

    RBI - ~235(used)
    RMX 1450 - ~400(new)
    Avatar - 361(new, shipped)
    4space rack - 65-100(new/used, shop)

    It's a little over $1000, but 1400W would annihalate any guitarist...Shop used and you could end up under 1000, This rig would serve two purposes, the obvious "I've got 1400 by-jimmed watts of Bass Thump!(The Crotch Rocket method of reasoning)" And also the "You turn yours up, I can turn mine up, so let's just save our hearing, eh?!(The shut-'im-up method of reasoning)" That's what I said to a guitarist friend of mine...But I don't have 1400W...:bawl: If you get it, tell me how it sounds so when I get one, I'll know it'll sound good!!

    In BASS:bassist:
  5. If you want something you can carry around without a van I would HIGHLY recommend the Portabass series from Ampeg. The heads are solid state, however they are really warm, and the cabs and heads are ALL very light. The 250Watt head should be enough, and you can get a 2x10 or 2x12 to go with it, or a 2x10 250W combo amp. I would say go with the head/cab arrangement however since you can always sell one and keep the other. The head has Low, Low Mid, High Mid, and High adjustment knobs, and a boost for each. I can't stress enough that this is certainly like other Ampegs. It's low end is HUGE, and as I said even though thr head is solid state, it's beautiful.

    The weight of the cabs btw is 30lbs for the 2x10, 40 for the 2x12, 14 for the head, and 50 for the combo.
  6. wulf


    Apr 11, 2002
    Oxford, UK
    Why is the guitarist going for 100W? If he turns it up past two and you get a bass rig that competes (remember, a lot more power is needed to make lower notes 'sound' equally loud), you're going to end up making a BIG noise between you.

    That's cool if you're playing big gigs, have got sound proof (or isolated) rehearsal space and wear ear plugs (or don't care about damaging your hearing - NOT recommended).

    However, it might be worth your guitarist looking at something with less power. Since he hasn't already got the new setup, there's still time to work out a better way forward.

  7. you can buy my SVT410HE and my Carvin R1000;)....It does just fine against my guitarist with a 120 watt all tube Blue Vodoo head and half stack. and will cost less than $1000 I'm just going to a pre/power amp(getting hooked up) and going to a different cab soon.

    we practice in a garage at certain times with understanding neightbors or a practice studios late nights always with earprotection.
  8. Well he said he's going into the 65-100 watt range. I doubt he'll go into 100 but I need to be prepared for around 80 :)
  9. CS


    Dec 11, 1999
    You need 4x what he has as a bare minimum.

    I play guitar in a band and use a 15w combo. My bassist uses a 140w combo or my 220w half stack. I dont have my amp past 3/4 volume.
  10. thumbtrap


    Jun 26, 2003
    The guitarist having a 100 watt amp is really only an issue if 1) he's a bone head, or 2) it's either a non master volume amp or he's a power tube freak who hasn't come to grips with EL-84's and 6V6's yet.

    Despite a serious indoctrination campaign by the music press - most of the current generation grew up listening to preamp crunch turned down at the master volume. Some styles power tube distortion doesn't really even help. And if he has a solid state power amp - then there's absolutely no reason (and a couple good ones not to) to crank it all the way up.

    Don't despair yet. You do need more power, but reading between the lines in your post, I wonder if you wouldn't be better served by an inexpensive 200 watt combo (and a big stick) in the meantime. Save you pennies for later when you have a more clear idea of what you're after. 10 watts is really only a bedroom amp, but as somebody else pointed out - if he cranks that thing up and you crank up to match, you're gonna be making a lot of noise. I'd also hate to be playing with someone who won't turn down to where HE can hear other bandmates. If he won't play at levels where any decent 200 watt combo can be heard - I might look for another guitar player before I looked for a bigger amp.
  11. jokerjkny


    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PHL
    if he's using 100 watts, IMHO, you should have at least 4x-6x the power, or roughly 400 watts to combat his sonic assault. hopefully, he wont have the need to use all 100 watts, if he's smart.

    also, if he's using a 4x12, i doubt a 2x10 will cut it for you. a 2x12 or a pair of 1x12's might be better.

    find a used Mesa Walkabout or MPulse, mate it up with a pair of Aguilar GS112's, and you're good to go.
  12. My friend is like no other guitarist I've met, he's smart. He also WANTS to hear me. And also I'm pretty sure he is shooting for a combo and not a half stack. If I can I only want to spend in the $700-$800 range. But if I have to I'll go more.
  13. PollyBass

    PollyBass ******

    Jun 25, 2001
    Shreveport, LA
    This is the best bet for power, tone, and price.
  14. Also I forgot to sey eventually I'll be dealing with two guitarists once he gets off his butt.

    I was thinking what about a 2x10 and a 1x15 and a GOOD head ? I have 5 months to get this so there is time ^^
  15. thumbtrap


    Jun 26, 2003
    I suppose my advice was somewhat hypocritical, since I just managed to put together a 15/210, Yamaha PB-1, and a Carver PM1.5 for your target price. I probably should have considered a pair of Avatar CB112's instead of the 15/210 though. Eagerly awating every knock at the door now.
  16. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    If only...

  17. Maybe not annihalate but it can always kill them ;)

    Anywho I've been searching around online since I'm off today due to the bad weather. The avatar's are looking extremly tempting but the thing is I don't feel like luging around a 4x10. So my mind has been turning wheels and I was thinking of starting with a 2x10 with a horn and a amp over 400 watts, then eventually adding a 1x15. And if I ever play a BIG gig without a PA I can always scrap the 2x10 for a 4x10. So I pretty much have my heart set on the avatar b210.... now to decide on a amp....

    Also would it be smarter to order the cab soon or wait a few months untill I have money for a head also ? I have no problem waiting 2 months to get a head but it might be torture having the cab sit in front of me.

    Oh yea I assume 4ohm would be better to order then the 8ohm ?
  18. SlavaF


    Jul 31, 2002
    Edmonton AB
    Well I know Im on vacation but I thought Id pop in with some advice...

    4 ohm if the amp can handle 2 once the 15 comes in, get 8 if it cant. Also, you may wanna consider the b212 instead of the 210, sounds a bit bigger, and get the 210 later. With an R1000, youre good to go!
  19. So get the b212 4 ohm ? Also what real difference does 4/8 ohm make besides wattage ? Is it the number of cabs you can add to it or speakers ??