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Dead Notes on Fender HM-V

Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by kawabama, Mar 25, 2013.


  1. kawabama

    kawabama

    Feb 24, 2009
    I have a 1992 Fender HM-V 5-string bass. The G string has two dead notes at fret 5 and 6. The notes above and below have good sustain, but those two die quickly like I'm muting it. Tried searching and didn't find anything similar. Any ideas? Bad string, perhaps?
     
  2. Have the dead spots always been there or did they show up after some type of change (like new strings, setup....)?
     
  3. FourBanger

    FourBanger

    Sep 2, 2012
    SE Como
    It could be a couple of things. Fenders, like many bolt ons or in theory any bass, can have certain resonant frequencies where they don't vibrate the same as everywhere else. Sometimes the deadspot frequency can be moved using weights and such but it is not an exact science.

    Another possibility, which recently happened to me, is a hump in the fretboard choking off the notes for frets just behind it. The bass I had was choking on the E at the fifth fret, ampretty inconvenient spot for amdead note, and after inspection I discovered theremwas a hump under about the seventh fret. Depending on the nature, location, and severity of the hump it can sometimes be repaired or even simply have the choking avoided with a good setup. After learning all this, and since its was a super cheap bass, I simply got rid of it. It was not worth as much as the repairs would've cost.
     
  4. They are always there. I find they move about on different stringing options. Fender 4 strings are as u have, 5 stings are on a b flat, my 6 String fretless is on a c
     
  5. cyclopsbookworm

    cyclopsbookworm Mutant Werewolf Supporting Member

    Nov 13, 2012
    Vista, CA
    That is a really common place for a dead spot. I had a warmoth jazz that had a dead spot on G5 as well. You can add a weight to the head (drill holes and put in a weight or place a small clamp on the head), but in theory, this would just move the dead spot to another location.

    As someone mentioned, this is due to the resonance of the wood. It naturally resonates to some note, so when that note is played, the wood dampens that particular note.

    I've heard that extreme changes in temperature or humidity can bring out dead spots or exaggerate them, though I haven't experienced that. From my experience, almost any wood instrument would have a dead spot somewhere. Some are less pronounced, but they're there.
     
  6. cyclopsbookworm

    cyclopsbookworm Mutant Werewolf Supporting Member

    Nov 13, 2012
    Vista, CA
  7. Ian_Flash

    Ian_Flash

    Jan 17, 2013
    The ever-astute FourBanger is correct in his diagnosis. Those are definitely the 2 most common causes of dead spots on a bolt-on. Definitely check those out FIRST. One other thing to check: How is the action and break angle over the G string saddle? If it's too shallow, or if the leveling allen screws are not making full contact with the bridge plate, these factors could emphasize the phase-cancellation that causes the decay. A neck reset (shim back about 1.mm) will allow you to raise the saddle without raising the action, yet increase the pressure on the saddle.
     
  8. FourBanger

    FourBanger

    Sep 2, 2012
    SE Como
    Most everything I know about basses I've learned from thorough reading of talkbass forums.:bassist:
     
  9. bassfreakah

    bassfreakah

    Mar 26, 2011
    Endorsing Artist Ernie ball strings
    funny I have a few American fenders with no dead notes. It was just the mexican p basses where I had the most trouble. Got rid of the junk and have no more dead notes. I wonder what is different.
     
  10. Ian_Flash

    Ian_Flash

    Jan 17, 2013
    Everyone on TB does a great job of sharing helpful and valid information. I wonder if Talk Guitar is the same?;)
     
  11. bassfreakah

    bassfreakah

    Mar 26, 2011
    Endorsing Artist Ernie ball strings
    i would think not, all guitar players do is talk about themselves.
     
  12. Ian_Flash

    Ian_Flash

    Jan 17, 2013
    LOL! My thoughts exactly! I want to check it out... hopefully I'll be able to contain my cynicism, and restrict my comments to a few Ascerbic Bon' mots. Film at 11....
     
  13. FourBanger

    FourBanger

    Sep 2, 2012
    SE Como
    Last time I tried to limit my bon mots they turned blue...

    I'd image that forum is akin to walking into a guitar store and hearing nothing but shredder battles going on.

    I onced got so pissed off at two guys having an informal shred-off while I was telecaster shopping I marched over to the biggest stack I could find, turned it up to 11, rang out an A, then a diminished D, then an E and just let it hang for as long as the tele would let it. Full Effin' Stage Volume. They stopped. Three chords beat out the hundreds of notes they were spewing out.
     
  14. Ian_Flash

    Ian_Flash

    Jan 17, 2013
    Wow!!! I can't stop laughing out loud right now... wife thinks I lost it! I'm going to try that next time I go into GC on a Sat. afternoon. My weapon of choice will be.... Jackson Soloist, Peavey XXX and the opening riff to King Crimson - 21st. Century Schitzoid Man! As for these bon mots, maybe break the Viagras in half? Thx again for the HUGE LOL!
     
  15. Jay2U

    Jay2U Not as bad as he lóòks

    Dec 7, 2010
    22 ft below sea level
    This is a real common dead spot location. I had this on fret 7 on the G-string. I converted the bass to BEAD, so the problem has gone for me.

    There is a possible cure, however. I've tried it myself and it worked. If you apply some extra weight to the headstock or somewhere halfway the neck, you'll notice a difference. A C clamp, gently clamped to the neck can give an indication of where exactly to add weight. Once the location has been determined, lumps of lead can be taped onto it to find out how much weight is sufficient. Once determined, a hole can be drilled and lead be put into it.
     
  16. Jay2U

    Jay2U Not as bad as he lóòks

    Dec 7, 2010
    22 ft below sea level
    Weight distribution along the neck?
     
  17. FourBanger

    FourBanger

    Sep 2, 2012
    SE Como
    You are making me miss my Dinky! Black with sharkfins and a reverse headstock, I fixed the tremolo myself into a hardtail. Once I got the Tele Special and the LP Special it did not get played as much, but it was my main, and only, axe in my high-school days covering everything from Metallical and Megadeth to Pantera and RATM and all that jazz. Of course all of them are long gone now. I miss the guitars but not being a guitarist. The writing ws on the wall when I decided to be rhythm and not lead.
     
  18. Ian_Flash

    Ian_Flash

    Jan 17, 2013
    I just got finished playing with my Dinky too! Then I went and got my guitar!!!!!!

    Jackson website now has a "design your own" tool that allows you to share the results. Loads of fun, if you haven't seen it yet. The Soloists, Dinky, King V, Rhoads V and Kelly can all be used to design your own, choices of headstock, hardware, binding, inlays. Mad cool!

    I still keep one SG and an MIJ Soloist in case I get "The Call".
     
  19. cyclopsbookworm

    cyclopsbookworm Mutant Werewolf Supporting Member

    Nov 13, 2012
    Vista, CA
    Talk Guitar was really slow last time I was on it. Almost no one on there, and like two total for sale ads. Complete ghost town. That was a few months ago tho, so maybe it's picked up by now. The site does have to compete with quite a few established guitar sites...talkbass has virtually no competition (that I know of).

    I play both bass and guitar...btw. I know guitar players are the devil on this site, but I have no shame :D
     
  20. cyclopsbookworm

    cyclopsbookworm Mutant Werewolf Supporting Member

    Nov 13, 2012
    Vista, CA
    ^^ just picked up a Dinky in a trade over the weekend. Fun instrument. Easy to play. A bit heavy though...at least mine is. I think it's heavier than my NS2005...which is solid maple (I think)
     

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