Dear Musician's "Friend"... you suck.

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by TimBosby, Jun 20, 2008.

  1. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    What a worthless pile of [email protected]#$ company. I've been a loyal customer for years. Then I order something (which was technically my wife's birthday present to me) and they send me the wrong color (this was a closeout not available on the regular website clearance item... no color selector option.) Fair enough, I contact CS. Then the fun begins...

    I had been told by two separate Customer Service people hours before my order on Monday that the color I wanted was in stock. Now, a third CS guy refuses to acknowledge that the color I wanted was in stock, and claim the entire item is discontinued. This idiot who is "handling" this case is doing nothing more than searching the Musician's Friend website for my item, seeing "product has been discontinued" and not even reading my e-mails or looking further into it. He said I could special order it from the manufacturer. Freaking idiot... I already know it's been discontinued so how could I order it from the manufacturer. I know there are piles of them sitting in the MF warehouse and they're too lazy to find the color I want. I doubt they suddenly all disappeared between Monday when I ordered, and yesterday when I received it.

    I've repeatedly asked by name to talk to the people who promised me the color I wanted. When I called and asked them to look up who I chatted with on Monday night (online cust. serv. chat) he said "we have no way of knowing." That is the biggest pile of bull I have ever heard. I work in a call center and EVERYTHING is recorded, logged, and assigned a reference #. I've told them repeatedly I will not leave them alone until this is escalated to a manager. Even if it IS out of stock, they ought to make it up to me SOMEHOW since two separate people told me the day of my order that I would receive the exact color I ordered.

    I work for customer service and I know firsthand what is like to talk to angry customers but we go out of our way to take special care of them because 1) being yelled at sucks and 2) we want to keep their business. Musician's Friend doesn't seem to care AT ALL. I don't even think their management cares. Worst Customer Service Ever. Thanks for nothing Musician's "Friend."
     
  2. fourstringdrums

    fourstringdrums Decidedly Indecisive Supporting Member

    Oct 20, 2002
    Massachusetts
    I couldn't help reading that and wondering the whole time "What did he buy?". Just curious :)

    I'm done with Musicians Friend. The last few times I've ordered something their stock indication has been screwed up and on at least one occasion, an in stock item took over a month to ship out. I 100% support small business, even if it's not local to me.
     
  3. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    I ordered this bass:

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/B.C.-Rich-Mockingbird-Platinum-Bass?sku=510806&gt

    until YESTERDAY when I started e-mailing and calling Cust. Service (I was very nice at FIRST), it did NOT say "this item has been discontinued" and it did NOT say "due to the size/weight, shipping is an additional $69.99"

    I guess I'm glad I didn't have to pay for shipping.
    The hilarious part is, I initially e-mailed them (on Monday) to see if I could get red because the only two pictures are red and black. The lady who wrote me said "Yes, we have red in stock. We originally ONLY had red in stock and just recently got black." Then I talked to a different guy that same day who said "We only have red." And I said "You can assure me if I order right now I will get red" and he said "yes." So I ordered. And what color do I get..?

    SILVER!!! :eek:
     
  4. fourstringdrums

    fourstringdrums Decidedly Indecisive Supporting Member

    Oct 20, 2002
    Massachusetts
    So what are you doing about it? Sending it back?
     
  5. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Emailing them and bugging them until they 1) tell me red is in stock (at which point I would send silver back and get red) or 2) acknowledge that red was not an option despite it being promised by two people and then make it up to me in some other way (discount or something) If red was never really an option I will keep the silver but I expect to be compensated in some way (hah like that will EVER happen with them!!)

    I 100% support small business too. Even though I work for a pretty big company, we don't outsource our CS to overseas call centers and the managers actually DO care about escalated issues.
     
  6. RED5

    RED5

    Jan 14, 2008
    Suffolk County,NY
    I really want to support local small biz but the way of the world has changed, sadly. I always went to mom and pop stores wherer they knew me and were asking after my needs, but the last vivist to my friend's music store? he was'nt able to get what i wanted, "no longer available to me" and suggested the Net. The light came on as one went out and I do most of my biz with a credit card/E-bay/craigslist etc,now. That being said? It sucks and most orders need follow up to correct or cancel or reorder. It's the New World Order. I guess we have to get a helmet on and get in the game, or get benched. BTW? Is everyone aware of the Musician's Friend/Guitar Center affiliation? they eveidentally are the same organization (and I use that word cautiously). Just a little helpful info if you're thinking of playing one against the other.
     
  7. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Yeah I know GC and MF are one and the same.

    I do most business on TB, Ebay, Bassgear.com or locally because I can't afford to buy things brand new. Once every now and then I'll find a good deal on MF or elsewhere but I'd way rather deal on an individual level on TB or somewhere like that because big companies just don't give a damn...they have enough sales to make up for one bad customer experience.
     
  8. jive1

    jive1 Commercial User

    Jan 16, 2003
    Alexandria,VA
    Owner/Retailer: Jive Sound
    No offense to anyone in particular, but these anti-GC/anti-MF threads come up here often. We know about their customer service, and complain about it to kingdom come. But once they have a big blowout sale, or have something in stock that you can't wait for your local dealer to order, people will still spend money with them and keep them in business. Nothing wrong with that if price and availability is what you are seeking. Personal service isn't part of their model, and they know they can win back disgruntled customers with a blowout sale every now and then.
     
  9. I've always had very good luck with Musician's Friend. The stuff shows up on time, and on the rare occasion I want to return something, it's very painless.

    Of course, with the volume of business they do, I assume there are issues like with any retailer, and I guess if you happen to get a rep on the phone that is not very good, you could have some problems. This has never happened to me.

    That being said, I wouldn't by something as 'personal' as a bass from them. They are great for effects, cables, tuners, and even amps and cabs IMO.
     
  10. syciprider

    syciprider Inactive

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    There's a link to CS management in the MF page. I used it before and got someone higher than the CS rep. Didn't speed things up for my Rickenbacker though :)
     
  11. +1

    I prefer my local shops. I will take the less hassle/higher price trade off any day.
     
  12. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Hey thanks for the heads-up on the management link, man. I e-mailed management AT musiciansfriend DOT com just now and OH BOY can I be a crabby customer. I spelled out the whole situation in exhaustive, excruciating detail, cutting and pasting the details of the moronic customer service escapade I experienced. Man in the end it is not such a big deal but I just want someone higher up to fix the situation and acknowledge that their underlings are idiots.

     
  13. thumpbass1

    thumpbass1

    Jul 4, 2004
    I've had great luck with Musicians Friend. That said, I do understand your frustration of being told one thing and getting something different. I wouldn't be quick to say that the problem is the result of lazy warehouse staff that won't go look for something. I'm pretty sure that MF runs a modern warehouse on upc labeling and location/inventory control logistics of some type.

    It might be the result of info that was not up to date when you placed your order and it still happens in the digital age. My last employer has two enormous modern warehouses in two seperate states where even with a great computerized tracking and scanning system, mistakes can happen when a person pulling the order forgets to scan something off etc. The people you talked to may have looked at a data screen showing the color wanted was in stock but the reality at the warehouse obviously was different.

    I'd see if upper managment can help you at MF to get what you ordered. If not, ask for a refund with return shipping being paid by them. You might even see if they'd give you some money back or a gift certificate to keep the bass you got. I wish you luck.
     
  14. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Oh I didn't mean lazy warehouse per se, I meant the lazy CS kids I talked to on the phone / email. Lazy as in they seemed to just give me "stock" responses without really reading my concerns versus actually looking deeper into the issue. I'm not blaming the warehouse-it's the CS people that communicate directly with the customer. Working at a place primarily devoted to CS I know that sometimes the temptation with "difficult" customers is to just give them the stock response and hope they go away.

    I did exactly what you said about contacting upper management.
     
  15. Sounds like you are wasting a ton of your own valuable time over an inventory screw up. As much as it sucks, send the bass back and just get a full refund.

    The people working these call center jobs have families and work for a living making barely minimum wage, as much as it might make you feel better to belittle them, they REALLY don't know what's going out of the warehouse. They are only usually permitted to give stock responses in fear of their jobs. So they screwed up, luckily it wasn't a Ric or something you have to wait a year for and pay 2000.00 for.

    Take it to upper management, get your 50.00 gift card, return the bass and move on dude.
     
  16. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Good points, but, I didn't belittle anyone. I simply called them on their sub-par CS. I've never heard of customer service paying minimum wage. I live in call center heaven (or hell) here in Omaha where wages and cost of living are well below the national average. The lowest would be approximately twice minimum wage ($10=$11) but more commonly somewhere between 2.5 to 3 times minimum wage ($12-$16 or so.) So yeah it might not be like they're rolling in money but they're not exactly just scraping by.
     
  17. Guitar Center in most areas doesn't start it physical sales staff at 10-11 bucks an hour (depending on area).


    You want to hit them where it hurts? Send the bass back, get a refund, support the local guys.
     
  18. fourstringdrums

    fourstringdrums Decidedly Indecisive Supporting Member

    Oct 20, 2002
    Massachusetts
    +1 to that. Is this hassle really worth it for THIS bass?

    and I forgot that I just bought by Eden from MF. No problems with that transaction. So it's hit or miss lately.
     
  19. jive1

    jive1 Commercial User

    Jan 16, 2003
    Alexandria,VA
    Owner/Retailer: Jive Sound
    +1 to that

    You have a messed up order, bad service, and wasted time. So bad that you started this thread to get advice and warn others. Yet, they still have your money.
     
  20. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Hey, they just managed to redeem themselves. I e-mailed that [email protected] e-mail address last night and one of the team leaders called me this morning. He apologized and explained that they never had red or black in stock. They just used those pictures because those were supplied by the manufacturer. He said the reps should have known that and I shouldn't have been given misinformation. He said he'd definitely be having a chat with the reps who gave me wrong info. I opted to keep the bass and he also gave me $30 credit toward whatever I want and it never expires. He apologized for my time being wasted. He was helpful and professional and cool about it. So MF has managed to redeem themselves to some degree. Lesson learned: for complaints, e-mail the management e-mail directly! Thanks everyone. This thread's as good as closed in my book.

    Oh one more thing, if you ever have a complaint or talk to a supervisor/team lead and want to call rather than e-mail, here is what to do:

    Call 1-800-776-5173 (regular number). Get to a CS rep with their menu system. You may even be able to bypass the menu system by hitting "0." The Supervisor extension is 2529. I couldn't find a way to enter it so I just asked the CS rep to connect me to 2529. They may make you explain a bit but it's not too much hassle. I think that extension is used by all the supervisors for escalations. Good luck.