Decisions - Bergantino AE212 or Ampeg 212AV?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Sugar McGuinn, Feb 3, 2014.

  1. Sugar McGuinn

    Sugar McGuinn

    Feb 10, 2010
    Is this even a question?

    I've decided that I need a smaller 4-ohm cab for smaller gigs.

    One of the 212s seems like a great fit, and I've narrowed my choices to these two cabs... I can get a new 212AV and a used AE212 for about the same price, So...

    Obviously these are different sounding cabs, that's the point. I'll be primarily using a B-15R orphaned head with said cab.

    Given that nugget of info, which cab would you choose, and why?

  2. Jim C

    Jim C Spector#496:More curves than Sophia + better sound

    Nov 29, 2008
    Why would a new 2x12 Berg be the same price as an Ampeg?
    Bergantino are highly designed cabinets with custom crossovers and proprietary drivers.
    If you are looking for a super clean full range sound there wolud be no comparison.

    If you're looking for smash mouth slightly muddy rock tone then go for the Ampeg and save money.
  3. huckleberry1


    Jul 1, 2013
    Mesquite, Texas
    +1 Jim C
  4. Baird6869

    Baird6869 LET'S GO BLUE JAYS...(in 2016)...LET'S GO!!

    No comparison IME. Berg AEs are killer cabs and blow away the Ampegs.

    Just my opinion but I have owned at least 10 Ampeg cabs and my AE cabs make my old Ampeg cabs sound like they have blankets on them.

    Of course, some love the Ampeg cab sound so YMMV....
  5. Baird6869

    Baird6869 LET'S GO BLUE JAYS...(in 2016)...LET'S GO!!

    The OP states that a USED Berg is the same price as a NEW Ampeg.

    Still Berg by a mile IMO.
  6. I've found that too-re the blankets. 😎
    But Yep. If you're after that Ampeg tone. You need an Ampeg cab.
    I found I can get that tone with Berg cabs & an Aguilar TH500 tho 😨
  7. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    Well, it's a question of sorts... :eyebrow:

    Bergantino = hi-fi
    Ampeg = lo-fi

    That just about sums it up...

  8. Sugar McGuinn

    Sugar McGuinn

    Feb 10, 2010
    Ha Ha Ha, I do love that the first two respondents didn't actually read the OP... I mean that sincerely. Ha Ha Ha...

    That and the original post states (along with the "New Ampeg/Used Berg Price point) the question as "What would YOU choose, and why?", not what you think I should choose. That's just too easy...
  9. scf4003


    May 2, 2004
    I made that choice 10 years ago, I went with Bergantino and never looked back.
  10. Dave W

    Dave W Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    Another vote for the Berg. I have one, so it is what I chose. It's a small cab that will do a lot more than small gigs. I've used mine numerous times on large outdoor gigs without PA support, it held it's own plenty fine and I got compliments on the sound to boot. I loved it so much that I upgraded to the CN212.

    Jim really knows what he is doing when it comes to cabs.
  11. morebass!

    morebass! I'm all ears Supporting Member

    May 31, 2002
    Madison WI
    I wonder how many of the respondents have actually played through the 2 cabinets in question.... the 212av is relatively new so not many have. I have played neither :ninja:
  12. Dave W

    Dave W Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    I haven't, but I have no desire to either. I've got nothing against at all, I just found "my" cab.
  13. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    Well, I would choose the Bergantino in a heartbeat, because I totally love the sound of a high-quality, boutique cab. And I probably wouldn't own an Ampeg amp in the first place.

    But it's hard to see how that would help you. That may be the same reason why people are simply providing you with additional information and/or perspectives instead. To assist you to better make your own choice. :eyebrow:

  14. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    I missed the part about the new Bergantino. Anyway, AE212 all the way.
  15. Jim C

    Jim C Spector#496:More curves than Sophia + better sound

    Nov 29, 2008
    Irony that I just came up from downstairs to catch up on posts and was using an SVT through a Berg HT322!
    Then used an old SM400; extremely clean and clear; heaven to some, hell for others.
  16. Sid Fang

    Sid Fang Reformed Fusion Player Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2008
    I am personally into full-range hi-fi rigs these days, so for me, personally, I'd go with the Berg' in an instant. But I'd also be using a different head.

    Your sound should be your primary consideration, but as a second-order factor, you might consider that, should you decide to resell the Berg', you'll probably get most, if not all, of your money back. Selling an Ampeg cab that you bought new, on the other hand, you're sure to take a loss.
  17. hennessybass

    hennessybass Supporting Member

    Oct 11, 2008
    North East Texas
    I owned an AE212, and didn't love it. Used it with some tube heads along the way, and a few micros too. It never did it for me, especially in a band mix. Since then I've had an Aguilar DB212, and now a Bergantino CN212. The Aggie was nice, but the CN is real.

    I think I would go with the ampeg in your case. Will look better, and probably - IMO - sound better (and look better) with that head -- not that I've ever heard one, but I'm imagining ampeg.
  18. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Two VERY opposite cabs...please explain.
  19. midichlorine

    midichlorine Supporting Member

    Jun 15, 2005
    i got a 212av and put a pair of deltalite 2512 11's in it and it sounds great!
    it has "some" of the same character but is overall smoother from top to bottom and seems to be a little less crunchy.

    also seems to be a little louder.

    AND i shaved 10-12 lbs
  20. chris_b


    Jun 2, 2007
    Bergantino, no contest.