Deepest, Boomiest, Bassiest, Muddiest passive Jazz!!!

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by Mudfuzz, Jan 12, 2009.

  1. Mudfuzz


    Apr 3, 2004
    As title says. I am putting together a J and would like a neck pickup the is as thick as can be. I have been giving thoughts to just routing it for a humbucker like a Thundertron, Powerbucker, Pitbull ect, ect. But I'd rather not if at all posable.

    I have dug through here and I keep reading Antiquity II and Model J but I still don't know. for the bridge I'm going with something on the grindy side and already have opinions on this.

    So What Say You!
  2. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    DiMarzio Model J is the one I've heard about that comes closest to your description... :meh:

  3. GlennW

    GlennW Inactive

    Sep 6, 2006
    I wouldn't call the Ant II muddy. It's a good sounding pickup.

    If you want a Jazz Bass bassy and boomy you should allow for having the pickups in series with a .1uF cap. I'm a little late on NY resolutions...I won't say that again this year.
  4. Ryan Mohr

    Ryan Mohr Guest

    Oct 23, 2007
    Model Js in series, and mess around the pots and caps. Good luck
  5. lambro


    Jun 1, 2004
    it might be fun to write out "boom" and "mud", but live or in the studio thats the last thing you want

    the dimarzio J is no where near what you describe

    if you are talking about a harmonically rich slightly overdriven sound, then look to the early 70 Entwistle lesson, Pbass pickup into tube heads loud, then miced

    a lot of what you may be wanting would come from your amp (old SVT cranked) and possibly a pedal if you want distortion

    Dark Stars and Lollar pickups are great, but volume, amp design and pedal or two are going to have to be part of the equation
  6. fullrangebass


    May 7, 2005
    Deepest and bassiest pickups I've so far heard are the Villex pickups. But they are neither muddy nor boomy
  7. heavyhitter


    Jan 24, 2008
    Boomy and muddy...... Not at all like the Model J's. If you like the Model J's but want more bottom, get the Ultra J's more bottom end for sure. FWIW I have both sets.
  8. Mudfuzz


    Apr 3, 2004
    No I am not talking about a overdriven sound in any way shape of form.
    I have a SVT as well as a Mesa 400+ and a Sunn 200s

    Think Aston Family Man Barrett.

    I put the description in my title because in general a lot of posters on here describe gear I like in those terms. And am looking for the most booty filled J bass pickups I can afford that are passive. My main bass has Bartolini Deeptone Js in it and it kills, but that bass is active so I wouldn't expect the same result without the pre, plus, I want a more classic fendery sound.

    Ultra J's Sound Like they would be nice but just about every post I've read on them says the are really scooped and have that "modern highs" thing going on, really not my thing.

    Right now the best "sounding" J pickups I've tried were Antiquitys and while I love the P bass pickup of the line and have one in my 71 and my 74 Ps the Js of that line didn't do it for me.

    And the only J I've played that had the kind of lows I want was a stock 64 that was beat to s**t, and cost more then I will ever spend on a bass, still it was the..............

    Thanks though guys you are helping, and in the end I will probably add a third pickup up by the neck, most likely a Model one or a thundertron.

  9. my experiences recording is matter how "bright" a bass sounds to me as i'm laying down the track it's always a bit dark sounding on the playback...Hence, I really try to get the whole sound spectrum onto the recording. I can always EQ out the highs later (seldom is this necessary, however).

    live...the situation is similar...when I'm playing alone, it may sound good "muddy" and "boomy"...but as soon as more instruments join in (especially drums), that mud becomes "sludge"...if the sound is a tad "too bright" to begin with, it usually sits better in a mix.
  10. Mudfuzz


    Apr 3, 2004
    It really depends on the mix, and the room. The thing is you can always cut lows, but you cannot bring them back without a lot of trouble.
  11. Surprise Panda!

    Surprise Panda! Guest

    Mar 18, 2008
    Los Angeles, CA
    mud? boom? IDK about that but I have some DiMarzio's (not the model J, the one with the allen wrench poles) and then neck pickup is very think and warm.
  12. the same goes with any frequency, including treble...and believe me, the lows are there already...if it's a jazz pickup single-coil the lows are there, yes sir...

    it's the treble that you need to tame...
    don't make "mud"'ll get tired of the sound in about 2 days and then what?
  13. Mudfuzz


    Apr 3, 2004
    First, you miss my point in what I'm after. A jazz bass has two pickups, so you can blend the levels of them as one likes, this means that if you have a muddy neck pickup and a bright [or the like] bridge pickup you can dial in what you like.

    Second I have a bass with a 1960 gibson EB pickup in it as well as two basses with DiMarzio model ones, sure they are not my main basses but I like them and they have their place.

    Third, I'm going to go with my original concept of this bass, which was side tracked by the fact that I ended up with a J body instead of a P [right deal], and put a TV Jones Thundertron in the neck and a DiMarzio model J in the bridge.
  14. Yeah, I think you're right-put some sort of humbucker in the neck. Other that that I would have said go with dual-coil, humbucking J's, such as Bart
    9CBJD S1/L1 deep pair. I've got a set-they sound dark and a bit 'blurry' to me.
  15. Lobster11

    Lobster11 Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2006
    Williamsburg, VA
    What kind of strings are you using? A gunky, 10-year-old set of heavy-gauge flats would get you halfway there with any pickups.
  16. Mudfuzz


    Apr 3, 2004
    I have flats on almost all of my basses actually: Chromes and TI Jazz flats. For the most part though I use lighter sets, they just feel bouncier to me.
  17. Family man uses Fender flats from what I understand. I've heard a couple of tracks where his jazz is just the growliest, thickest jazz tone ever. I've used the Fender9050M set in the past and found those strings to have a real growly lowend tone. There's somthing about the tension, and tone of those flats that gives them a great lowend. I also really like Labella's but they are much less tension. They do sound great though.

    I agree with your sentiment about pickup balance and wanting a good dark neck tone. However, there is only so dark that you want to go.

    I think that any good SD, or Fralin vintage type pickup would get you there. I'm not a fan of humbuckers, I like single coils in my jazz, with there inherent noise. I would not want anything heavily overwound, or you enhance to much mids. Slight overwind would be ok I think.

    Check out Tiran porter on bassplayer tv. I believe it is bass #6 of his. A franken fender with a neck bucker and a jazz bridge. Nice sounding bass. Family man also has a video on there.
  18. Eilif

    Eilif Grooving under the MDW runway.

    Oct 1, 2001
    I wanted a darker and rounder sound from my frankenjazz so I went with a set of Model J's, and a series/parallel pot. It sounds great. I should mention also that I run it with a nice dead set of pure-nickel strings. Very round, deep tone that can be muddy when I want it to be.

    I know you were looking for something new, but try the series mode and see if that gets you there.
  19. heavyhitter


    Jan 24, 2008

    Sounds like you DO have the Model J's. The Ultras are w/o the adjustable pole pieces.

    Also to the OP.
    I think that the word scooped for the Ultras is a really an over statement of the sound. the mids are definatly there it just has a big fat bottom and a crisp high. I dont find the mids lacking.
  20. Tony In Philly

    Tony In Philly Supporting Member

    Oct 25, 2007
    Filthydelphia, USA