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Defining bass rig types...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Gregory Bruce Campbell, Mar 2, 2004.


  1. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    I am currently working on a document to define bass rig types...

    I would love to discuss and get some input on the concepts contained in the idea...

    here it is:



    Ever wonder how to describe the bass rig you work with?

    Ever wonder how to put into words, the bass rig of your dreams?

    Well, I created a little "dictionary" of sorts to help...

    Mono requires: 1 signal path, and; 1 Enclosure.
    Mono Bi-amped requires: 1 to 2 signal paths, and; 1 to 2 Enclosures
    Mono Tri-amped requires: 1 to 3 signal paths, and; 1 to 3 Enclosures
    Mono Quad-amped requires: 1 to 4 signal paths, and; 1 to 4 Enclosures
    Stereo requires: 2 signal paths, and; 2 Enclosures
    Dual Mono requires: 2 signal paths, and; 2 Enclosures
    Stereo Bi-amped requires: 2 to 4 signal paths, and; 2 to 4 Enclosures
    Dual Mono Bi-amped requires: 2 to 4 signal paths, and; 2 to 4 Enclosures
    Stereo w/ mono sub requires: 2 to 5 signal paths, and; 2 to 5 Enclosures
    Dual Mono w/ mono sub requires: 2 to 5 signal paths, and; 2 to 5 Enclosures
    Stereo Tri-amped requires: 2 to 6 signal paths, and; 2 to 6 Enclosures
    Dual Mono Tri-amped requires: 2 to 6 signal paths, and; 2 to 6 Enclosures
    Stereo Quad-amped requires: 2 to 8 signal paths, and; 2 to 8 Enclosures
    Dual Mono Quad-amped requires: 2 to 8 signal paths, and; 2 to 8 Enclosures
    Tri Mono requires: 3 signal paths, and; 3 Enclosures
    Tri Mono w/ mono sub requires: 3 to 4 signal paths, and; 3 to 4 Enclosures
    Tri Mono Tri-amped requires: 3 to 9 signal paths, and; 3 to 9 Enclosures
    Tri Mono Quad-amped requires: 3 to 12 signal paths, and; 3 to 12 Enclosures
    Quad Mono requires: 4 signal paths, and; 4 Enclosures
    Dual Stereo requires: 4 signal paths, and; 4 Enclosures
    Quad Mono Bi-amped requires: 4 signal paths, and; 4 Enclosures
    Dual Stereo w/ mono sub requires: 4 to 5 signal paths, and; 4 to 5 Enclosures
    Quad Mono Tri-amped requires: 4 to 6 signal paths, and; 4 to 6 Enclosures
    Dual Stereo Bi-amped requires: 4 to 8 signal paths, and; 4 to 8 Enclosures
    Dual Stereo Tri-amped requires: 4 to 12 signal paths, and; 4 to 12 Enclosures
    Dual Stereo Quad-amped requires: 4 to 16 signal paths, and; 4 to 16 Enclosures
    Quad Mono Quad-amped requires: 4 to 16 signal paths, and; 4 to 16 Enclosures
    5.1 surround requires: 5 signal paths, and; 5 Enclosures
    Tri Mono Bi-amped requires: 6 signal paths, and; 6 Enclosures
    Tri Stereo requires: 6 signal paths, and; 6 Enclosures
    Tri Stereo w/ mono sub requires: 6 to 7 signal paths, and; 6 to 7 Enclosures
    Tri Stereo Bi-amped requires: 6 to 12 signal paths, and; 6 to 12 Enclosures
    Tri Stereo Tri-amped requires: 6 to 18 signal paths, and; 6 to 18 Enclosures
    Tri Stereo Quad-amped requires: 6 to 24 signal paths, and; 6 to 24 Enclosures
    Quad Stereo requires: 8 signal paths, and; 8 Enclosures
    Quad Stereo w/ mono sub requires: 8 to 9 signal paths, and; 8 to 9 Enclosures
    Quad Stereo Bi-amped requires: 8 to 16 signal paths, and; 8 to 16 Enclosures
    Quad Stereo Tri-amped requires: 8 to 24 signal paths, and; 8 to 24 Enclosures
    Quad Stereo Quad-amped requires: 8 to 32 signal paths, and; 8 to 32 Enclosures

    created by: Gregory Bruce Campbell 2004

    http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/ExtendedRangeBASSIST/
     
  2. miccheck1516

    miccheck1516 Guest

    Feb 15, 2003
    Ireland
    What's the point in this?

    EDIT: first post was a bit harsh
     
  3. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    :meh:
     
  4. miccheck1516

    miccheck1516 Guest

    Feb 15, 2003
    Ireland
    I just dont understand why you've posted this.

    I understand that say *bass-effects pedal-combo* would be mono.

    What would *bass - effects pedal - head - 2 cabinets* be?
     
  5. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    what is the pedal? and what is the head?

    do the cabs each come from the power section of your head or does one cab slave off of the other?
     
  6. miccheck1516

    miccheck1516 Guest

    Feb 15, 2003
    Ireland
    The pedal is (for example) a DOD envelope filter, and the head could be any head really that dosent have a bi-amp built in(like GK) so for the sake of argument ill say its a behringer ultrabass bx3000t.

    I cant see how changing how the cabs are linked up would effect it in this situation but im interested in seeing if both ways would result in using the same 'name' based on what you have above.
     
  7. Subculture13

    Subculture13 Jamming Econo

    Apr 9, 2003
    Toronto, Ont. Canada
    I got 5 words into that list and my head hurt. You really need to find a hobby, or a job.
     
  8. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    well it seems like what you are describing is either mono, or dual mono...

    depending on the head, and how it goes to the speakers is where your particular example would either remain mono, or become dual mono...

    and even there depending on the head it may still be mono even if it has two or more out puts...

    have you ever or can you run stereo effects with your head?

    if so the head could be considered dual mono on my silly little chart

    however the way you describe your use of it, it wouldn't matter anyway even if your rig were dual mono, and would be simply mono...

    i play in dual mono for now, the way and reason i use it... (smaller scale than reality example) is where I use a wah pedal in one side and say a whammy pedal on the other side...

    My rig is dual mono quad amped...

    the way i determined this, is i use two separate bass rigs both with 4 way cabs

    So it makes sense to describe it as such...

    The reason I asked how the speakers were hooked up would be that if they were piggy backed off one another...

    Your rig would truly be mono with an extra cab...

    Now the cabs ... are they 1 way? 2 way? 3 way? 4 way?
     
  9. Sundogue

    Sundogue

    Apr 26, 2001
    Wausau, WI
    I'm just curious as to what end purpose this is for.

    Once these "names" are defined, who will use them and why?

    I can see a new thread coming...

    Which Quad Stereo Quad-amped into a Tri Mono w/ mono sub Combo Should I Get?
     
  10. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    LOL

    what if this type thing were my hobby? or my job?

    :help:

    ;) :D
     
  11. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    i just thought it might define bass rig types... later on it might make it simpler to mention complex rigs...

    i got curious about it, and whipped out a spread sheet to try to define the types...

    who knows, it might make rig conversation easier someday? lol
     
  12. Subculture13

    Subculture13 Jamming Econo

    Apr 9, 2003
    Toronto, Ont. Canada

    No kidding, I think that Paul will have to start selling Decoder Rings in the talkbass store now.
     
  13. Matthew Bryson

    Matthew Bryson Guest

    Jul 30, 2001
    Gregory Bruce Campbell - I'm thinking that you might be just the guy to answer my questions - how many / which Pink Floyd albums were released in Quadraphonic? Do you have to have a special quadraphonic copy of the album or are all copies of certain albums quadraphonic. What type of stereo equipment do I need to enjoy quadraphonic recordings in their original quadraphonic golory? What in the heck is quadraphonic - would that be dual stereo, quad stereo, dual qua-stereo mono or what?
     
  14. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    lol actually just understanding a few small things makes what i have come up with thus far to be merely a simple formula...

    first of all does your bass rig split signals anywhere? ANYWHERE?

    if not it is simply "MONO"

    if it splits anywhere... if at some point something has a parralel, or two or more of anything, chances are it graduates into the next level of complexity...

    in my definitions... the word stereo indicates that something of the signal path is shared somewhere...

    one bass pedal may require two cabs to cooperate... say stereo chorus, or delay...

    if not... if you bassically run two completely seperat rigs...

    ie: billy sheehan, bootsy collins, etc...

    then you cross into the world of dual mono, tri mono, or quad mono...

    then i had to take it further that realistic to complete the concept of the spread sheet...

    this where i got into dual stereo, tri strereo, or quad stereo...

    THEN...

    when you get to the last bit of wording... it has to do with how each invidual end of the chain is crossed over...

    my cabs are 4 way cabs... and i pitured someone at some must have needed 4 seperate cabs and a complicated crossover to acheive similar results...

    i know of 1, 2, 3, and 4 way cabs in existance...

    so i took the spreadsheet that far...
     
  15. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    LOL, sorry Matthew, but i'm stumped...

    i like pink floyd but don't own any of their albums...

    i have many assumptions as to what quadraphonic may be...

    but i'd hate to dig myself in a hole
     
  16. Sundogue

    Sundogue

    Apr 26, 2001
    Wausau, WI
    Too late for that! :D
     
  17. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    Ok then... i'd hate to dig myself into a dual mono hole!

    ;)
     
  18. Sundogue

    Sundogue

    Apr 26, 2001
    Wausau, WI
    I do believe that the quad stereo hole is the deepest to dig out of.

    Is there a spreadsheet that defines holes anywhere? Anyone?

    ;)
     
  19. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    WRONG!

    SEE:

    Quad Stereo Quad-amped hole

    I am always digging out of this whole with my wife...

    each time i say to her... no seriously after i buy this i will never need another peice of gear again!

    i've never made it completely out. and after 8 years in the Quad Stereo Quad-amped hole i will say it is the hardest to get out of...
     
  20. Sundogue

    Sundogue

    Apr 26, 2001
    Wausau, WI
    See! We really do need a spreadsheet on hole definitions...if there was one, we would not need to belabor the most difficult holes to dig out of.

    Speaking of which...with my wife, I am always digging out of many holes regarding gear too.

    Would those be GAS holes??? :eek: