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desperately wanting to ues only a mic

Discussion in 'Amps, Mics & Pickups [DB]' started by hillbilly, Feb 17, 2002.


  1. hillbilly

    hillbilly

    Aug 10, 2001
    I have been expiermenting with using only a mic,the problem is I can't get enough volume without feedback.The sound is best thing I've ever heard.It is excactly what I've been looking for ,but it's so frustrating to have to go back to a pickup just so I can be heard.My next thing is I'm going to try blending the mic with a pickup I hear this will get me closer to the ideal sound yet still be able to get enough volume.
    So if anyone out there is having sucess using just a mic PLEASE tell me you're secret.I'm desperate.
    I've almost deecided to go with the mic and just not be heard,better to have good tone and be quiet than bad tone loud.
    Thanks in advance
    Bobby daniel
     
  2. 1st, I use a mic that throws a hyper-carioid pattern, it's less prone to bleed from other instruments.

    2nd, I'm careful about where I set up on the stage and how the mic is angled, I don't want to be in front of any speaker that the bass is coming through.

    Through experience I'm able to get just about as loud as I would with a pick-up. I've used it with a loud 11-piece salsa band (even at rehearsals which were in a space smaller than my living room) and on a gig at a casino with a loud blues band playing in a large concourse area.
     
  3. Monte

    Monte

    Jan 9, 2001
    New Albany, MS
    Hillbilly,

    I normally use my Schertler Dyn-B contact mic, but I was having trouble using it at this club I'm at, where the house PA has absolutely no headroom. Into my Contra (which I was using as a stage monitor), the sound was clean, but coming out of the PA, it would "fart" on the Bb at anything close to enough volume.

    So, desperate to try something else, I threw an AKG D112 (egg mike) in front of my bass. I used this mic before with not much success, but there was a difference. Then, I didn't have the projection to fully utilize a mic. This time it worked great for me. This is an important point, make sure you cn project well without a mic as well. Everyone around you on stage should be able to hear your acoustic sound. If it isn't a loud place or is small, try to get by with no amp or PA to practice improving your projection.

    The AKG D112 may be a good mic for you to check out. Designed as a kick drum mic, you almost cannot make it feedback. This weekend I used it into the lousy PA and got lots of volume in a very loud club (mains were at 75% and my channel was about 80%) and never had a problem with getting a very good clean sound.

    I second what Dave says about being careful about setting up on stage. I set up between the piano and drums (drums to my right), and slightly behind the drums. My drummer likes my F-holes right in his ear (we have no monitor), and he kept having me move closer to him. By last night I had the mic about 12" in front of my G f-hole, and the mic was only about 18" from the high hat. Here is where I might take issue with the fact that you need a hypercardiod (take a look at the spec sheets for the AKG D112 vs. hypercard mode of the AKG C4000b on www.akg-acoustics.com). The D112 is a cardiod with great side cancellation, so the PA was picking up little if any high hat, to my amazement.

    For studio work, you might want a better mic (like the C4000b), but for a feedback free good sounding live mic, this one is worth checking out. I had a few friends in last night, and they couldn't believe how good I sounded. Personally, I really like using the Dyn-B and will continue to use it when there is either no PA or a lousy one, but I'll be adding the AKG D112 to my gig bag now.

    Monte
     
  4. anonymous0726

    anonymous0726 Guest

    Nov 4, 2001
    I use one of these AMT mics with great success. They're mebbe a bit pricey, but the price is worth not dealing with months of fooling around with other things and scratching your bass up on stand-mounted mics.
     
  5. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U

    May 30, 2000
    Peoples Republic of Brooklyn
    Creator of: iGigBook for Android/iOS
    Ray, where do you place that mic?
     
  6. anonymous0726

    anonymous0726 Guest

    Nov 4, 2001
    About 1/8" off the body right at the bottom edge of the fingerboard. Not the greatest point for volume, but the nicest representation. This would most certainly be different for different basses.
     
  7. don't know if any one has mentioned this yet, but I use an AKG "D112" mic. w/ an SWR "12" amp.this works very well for me with very,very little feedback.hpoe this helps.
     
  8. mchildree

    mchildree Supporting Member

    Sep 4, 2000
    AL/GA
    I've done this recently in a pinch (soundman was clueless about how to handle an upright). In exasperation, I just told him to mike my WM-12 and I got to listen to a tape of the show later. Sounded surprisingly good! Much better than what he'd have been able to accomplish if I'd given him a DI from my pickup or had him mike my bass directly.

    I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I can't seem to stand still enough to make effective use of a mic on a stand. I get things moving and next thing I know, I've pulled away from the mic and I'm gettin' the "stare of death" from the sound guy.
     
  9. Monte

    Monte

    Jan 9, 2001
    New Albany, MS
    I actually am realizing that by using a mic on a stand and not doing all of the excess moving around, I've simplified how I hold my bass, and now am less tired at the end of a 4 hour gig. I've found the height and stance that allows me to accomplish shifts into thumb pos. with smoother movement.

    Monte
     
  10. I have my "D112" mounted on a thin piece of metal(about 1/16").it is bolted to the tailpiece eye of my "D" string,being careful not to contact the string.I run it at about a 45 degree angle to just to the lower right of the bridge.the mic is pointed toward the center of the bass.if you try this you may have to play with the mic positions to get the results you want.again this works very well for me as I to move around alot.I am considering going to a wireless system to elemenate the cord.
     
  11. hillbilly

    hillbilly

    Aug 10, 2001
    do you have a picture of this setup?
    I can't even begin to picture it.
    But like I said "I'm desperate" so I'll try anything.
    You can email me direct at guttbass@yahoo.com
    Bobby:confused:
     
  12. mchildree

    mchildree Supporting Member

    Sep 4, 2000
    AL/GA
    Is anyone here using a Golden Trinity mic only, without the pickup/blender? Seems to be a decent option without all the muck-a-muck, except that you have to have phantom power available.
     
  13. oklarain

    oklarain

    Feb 4, 2002
    Seattle, WA
    I have recently purchased the K&K golden trinity from (all hail) Bob G. My intention was to use it with my existing pickup. However, since my existing pickup is a Fishpoop, I quickly decided against it. The mic alone sounds amazing! You don't need phantom power if you just buy a 9v battery.

    I used to use a mic on a stand and all of the hassels involved. This proves better for me.