Diana Krall's New CD

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by Boplicity, Sep 28, 2001.

  1. Boplicity

    Boplicity Supporting Member

    I'm ducking and covering my head as I say this, but if anyone here just happens to be looking for a soothing, mellow album that is pure romance, check out Diana Krall's new album "The Look of Love" on Verve.

    I love Krall because her voice takes me back to sultry chanteuses such as Peggy Lee and Julie London. Plus she plays piano, too.

    Her new album has a vibe similar to some of Johnny Mathis' best work from the early sixties. It also reminds me of some of SInatra's and Mel Torme's romantic work, especially the orchestral arrangements on Sinatra's work..I especially like her bossa nova peices. The soft strings in the background, the mellow guitar...there, I used that word mellow again.

    The title song is a bossa nova as are some others. But they are all in the same calming, gentle vibe. Christian McBride plays acoustic bass. The orchestra was arranged and conducted by CLaus Ogerman, whose work I didn't know before, but certainly admire.

    This is definitely an album for that romantic dinner or a quiet evening of reading or resting and reflecting.

    Now, that said, I'm going to run and hide because my taste in music is definitely unpopular in this territory. (But Krall is very popular elsewhere. Her last album was at the top of contemporary jazz charts much of last year.)
  2. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    This virtually took over the September issue of JazzWise magazine in the UK - with full page, full -colour pics on front and back cover, plus a 4 or 5 page feature with more photos inside. They also reviewed the album and gave it 4 stars plus "reccommended" status.

    They said:

    "fresh , organic and full of the best possible tastes!"

    But I supect that Jazz magazines like her as it gives them a break from photos of dull or downright ugly-looking, middle-aged men.

    The photos look like a "glamour" shoot to me and are just a few short steps away from "soft porn" in my girlfriend's view!! I got serious grief when I bought the magazine home. ;)

    I mean OK - it's not her fault that she's very attractive and I suppose you can't blame her or her record company from trying to draw people's attention to Jazz which is a minority interest usually... but somehow it grates and you think : does she deserve more attention than all the great Jazz CDs released this year put together!

    I mean how can Dave Holland compete on a level playing field!! ;)

    PS I haven't heard the album but have liked everything I've heard on radio, TV etc.
  3. bobaloo

    bobaloo Guest

    Aug 26, 2001
    Newport News, Va.
    Hey, this is a bass player's site, you don't need to justify ANY recording with Christian McBride on it. I own three of her CD's and the upright work on each is impeccable.
  4. hogani

    hogani Guest

    Jul 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    I was taking some coffee the other morning, watching television, and lo and behold, Diana Krall was playing piano on Sesame Street.

    The sun was out, the coffee was good, Diana Krall was performing a duet with Elmo.

    It was a good morning.
  5. jazzbo

    jazzbo Guest

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    Maybe, maybe not. But, in my opinion, that's not a reason not to buy her CD.

    Personally, I like her.
  6. Boplicity

    Boplicity Supporting Member

    I first saw Diana Krall several years ago on the Jazz cable channel BET on Jazz. She was on their regular show Jazz Central. That is a program that features pretty serious jazz and seldom has the lighter stuff so often maligned here.

    If anything, she has grown quite a bit as an artist since then and her look has evolved into a more sophisticated look too. I think it is too bad if her gorgeous looks ever cause would-be listeners to dismiss her as a Britney Spears of jazz. She offers so much more than that. If she looks terrific,too, that is just a bonus for the men who listen to her music.

    Also, I have to confess I have never seen or heard anyone say some man was too good looking or too sexy to be a serious jazz musician. Of course, it is true that male jazz musicians are seldom posed provocatively on their CD album covers.

    Maybe Krall's sexy photos will attract some men to jazz who might not have listened otherwise, but I doubt it. Afterall, such men probably don't visit the jazz section of the music store and probably don't purchase jazz magazines, so they wouldn't see Ms. Krall anyway. Too bad for them. They don't know what they are missing.

  7. jazzbo

    jazzbo Guest

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    Miles Davis is too good looking to really be a serious jazz musician.

    :D :D :D :D
  8. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    Well, there's a life-size cut-out of Diana Krall as one ENTERS the big store here in-town...lookin' good!

    Truth be told, I do have a couple of Krall's cds(on account one had McBride)+ her Christmas EP(nice version of "Christmas Time Is Here"...what can I say, I'm a sentimental ol' sap).
    She's sultry & uses it...no complaints from me! ;)

    You really need to hit www.jazzcorner.com more often; the regulars there will discuss certain Jazz players' attire/looks...they will argue endlessly over, say, "The Young Lions" dapper dress(stylin' & posin') vs. the guys who could care less about style vs. substance(their music).
    ...at times, it's a pretty funny read.
  9. Boplicity

    Boplicity Supporting Member

    Thanks for the heads up. I never heard of the web site, but I'm going there now to check it out.
  10. Boplicity

    Boplicity Supporting Member

    Jim K, I went to Jazz Corner, registered as "Boplicity" because I figured the humor in Jason Oldsted would neither be appreciated nor understood there by most of the members, did a search of recent Diana Krall posts and quickly realized that some of the same type of contempt for other people's taste in music I see here is alive and well there also.

    So I didn't dare post anything positive about Diana Krall because I realized that jazz purists hold her in low esteem especially because her newest album has debuted at #9 on the latest general Billboard chart, thereby dooming it to pop hellalong with Kenny G and Boney James. Odd though, I like Krall's album better than any of the work of the two latter artists.

    A few kind folks at Jazz Corner did defend her work. Thanks, guys. I wish I had the courage to post a few favorable comments about her, too, but I'm sure that I'd get a butt-kicking for even mentioning her favorably in a jazz message board, even though she plays jazz standards on her album. Maybe it was the violins that the purists disdained????

    Anyhoo, I have marked Jazz Corner as a favorite place and will read their message board as a lurker, expecting to learn a lot. I'm too intimidated to post any comments, though.

    Oh, Jim, one other thing. I didn't know Krall had a Christmas EP. I intend to get it. I wish she had a full length CD for the holidays. Thanks for telling me about it and Jazz Corner.
  11. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    Hey, JO-
    "Boplicity", huh? That's cool!
    ...and that site does get rough; the political threads are very heated as are the Free Jazz vs. Swing/Bop threads.
    Wynton Marsalis is the anti-Christ...Smooth Jazz lovers are usually dismissed PDQ(the 'smoothies' hang out @www.contemporaryjazz.com).
    Occasionally, a Krall thread pops up...it's usually open season. You'd think these same "critics" would get tired of the BS; they don't(apparently).
    Anyway, there's some heavyweights that actually post & interact with the regulars...Peter Erskine, Terri Lynn Carrington, Dave Holland, Frank Kimbrough, Robin Eubanks, Bob Brookmeyer, etc.
    If ya think Ed Fuqua is acerbic...man, don't get on Brookmeyer's bad side!

    My very first Internet post('98) was at the now defunkt Jazz Central Station(pretty much the same group of posters at Jazz Corner)...anyway, one of the regulars replied to my first ever post & called me a "Yo-yo"! :D
  12. Boplicity

    Boplicity Supporting Member

    Say, Yo Yo (just kidding), I think I'll take my Boplicity act over to the contemporary jazz message board you mentioned. Why? Being from Florida, I know if you swim with sharks sooner or later, probably sooner, you'll get bitten. I 'm afraid the Jazz Corner folks will bite me up, down and sideways, then spit me out.

    I'm going to check that web site you suggested right now. It sounds like more my speed. Thanks once again for filling me in on such matters.
  13. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    Well, I do think it is! ;)

    Seriously - OK Diana Krall is a very good singer/pianist with great supporting musicians - BUT there are a large number of CDs that are probably more original, are better written or played etc. etc. that have been released this year. So the question is why they should get less attention, simply because they don't have a photogenic front-person, whose photos can be scattered all over the press.

    I suppose as a man (honestly!) I feel patronised or in some way "insulted" by the advertisers and magazines that assume that I will be "interested" in a CD simply because it has some lascivious pictures of an attractive women on the cover.

    I feel my intelligence is insulted by campaigns like this - I mean if I want pictures of attractive women there are plenty of magazines I can buy if I realy wanted to. :rolleyes: I buy JazzWise and any Jazz CDs based on an interest in the music and I can't see why I need to be somehow "encouraged" by sexy photos!!

    The implication is that all men are controlled by their sexuality and cannot make an objective judgement for themselves on whether a female artist is worth listening to for their music alone.

    If I was an attractive female artist who was genuinely interested in music, this is the last thing I would encourage. Firstly, you must wonder whether anybody has actually listened to your music and liked it rather than just your pictures - secondly you are bound to get disparaging comments from some other musicians who won't take you seriously because of this - not to mention the "wrong" type of fans.

    OK so Diana Krall sells millions of albums, but is this for the music or the image? The music may well be very good but with the way she is being promoted we will never know.

    I might well have bought the album based on the fact that I like Christian McBride's playing etc. But I am now inclined to ignore it in favour of things like Dave Holland's latest quintet recording which hit the shops in the UK at about the same time. Just to prove that I am not the sort of "stereotype" man that the advertisers think I am! :mad:
  14. Kelvin

    Kelvin Guest

    Apr 30, 2000
    Methinks Elaine Elias does the same to sell records as well.

    Which is sad, considering that she's an amazing vocalist and pianist.
  15. She's just not THAT attractive. She's fairly pretty, but not traffic-stopping. She might be the best-looking competent jazz piano player in the history of the world, or something like that. But walking down the street, I don't think you'd really notice her.
  16. jazzbo

    jazzbo Guest

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    I have to agree. She is pretty, but walking down the street I'd probably think she was just another corporate suit VP or something in the Financial in SF.
  17. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    Yes - thanks Ed - this is exactly what I was feeling but couldn't express it so well - when it stops being about just the music and more about how many units can we shift to people making "lifestyle choices" then I don't really want to be part of it.

    I don't want to stop anybody buying the CDs, but you just feel like saying there is so much more out there that's worthy of attention.....
  18. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999

    ...how 'bout a hand over in the "Playing Against The Backbeat" thread?!
  19. Boplicity

    Boplicity Supporting Member

    Revisiting the topic of exploiting Krall's girl-next-door good looks to sell the album, I have to say that I didn't really pay attention to that aspect of it. I bought the album based on other work of hers I liked.

    I didn't really notice the multiple fold out cover until I had to unfold all those flaps to find the names of the bassist, guitarist, drummer and orchestra conductor. Because others here had mentioned the sex-to-sell Cds strategy, I did pay more attention. This is what I have to say. Evidently the marketers thought only MEN would buy the album!!!

    You see, those photos won't convince any woman to buy the album and might turn off a considerable number of the women. Yet, what is odd about the marketing to men strategy is that I consider Krall's romantic music to be women's music by and large. Now maybe I am waaaaaay off base in having that notion. Maybe there is no such thing as men's music and women's music, but if there is, I would certainly put Krall in the women's music category.

    Maybe that could be the topic of a whole other thread...is there such a thing as women's music and men's music? Do more men like MIles Davis and John Coltrane and Limp Bizkit than women? Do more women like Diana Krall, Kenny G and Ricky Martin than men?

    Anyway, back to my point. Krall's CD cover definitely seems designed to capture males to buy the album. But that said, Ms Krall is positively demure and modest compared to Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, Mariah Carey and Christina Aguilera.
  20. so, can someone post a pic? or am i the only one who has no idea who the hell you're talking about?