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Differences Between Older Warwick Streamer Stage II 5's and Newer SSII 5's???

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by AndyMan, May 3, 2002.


  1. AndyMan

    AndyMan Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 17, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio
    http://myplaceproductionsllc.com/
    Hi Warwick officiandos, Andy Russ here.

    I am posting to ask you opinions on the diffs between a 2001 SSII 5 string (which I own) and older SSII 5 models.

    Question: Has the SSII ever had a WENGE neck in addition to wenge fingerboard? My 2001 SSII 5 has a wenge fingerboard, but not a wenge NECK. I think it is an afzelia neck with some other wood in it.

    The reason I ask is becaise I owned a '97 SSII 5 string and from what I recall, it had a WENGE fingerboard and NECK???

    Also, they have cheapo's the electronics from 18 volt to 9 in my new SSII.

    Thoughts??? I'm trying to decide if I want to keep the bass, and currently it's missing something in the sound. I am wondering if its the neck construction/wood selection. If its just the pups/electronics, then I'll replace them with Basslines. But before I spend the cash, I'm wondering about the neck woods...

    Thanks,

    Andy
     
  2. aren't you mistakening (sp?) the I with the II ?
     
  3. AndyMan

    AndyMan Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 17, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio
    http://myplaceproductionsllc.com/
    Well, I'm just wondering--Warwick has in the last few years changed a lot of body and neck wood on their high end bases--for ex., I have a '98 Dolphin Pro 4 string with a Boire Rosewood Body with a wenge neck--now they have ovangkol bodies and necks, a cheaper wood, but still a nice wood choice. What Warwick has done is use cheaper woods on their high end basses to keep the market price, relying on their name for marketing purposes, and I'm wondering if that is so with the SSII.

    Andy
     
  4. geshel

    geshel

    Oct 2, 2001
    Seattle
    No.

    :) That would be easy because SS1s have maple necks.

    Yes (waiting for Warwick5S to show up and set things straight), AFAIK the SS2 used to have a wenge neck; now it has ovangkol I think. I'm looking on their website and it doesn't say what the neck woods are!

    Also, in the spec sheet:

    http://www.warwickbass.com/specs.pdf

    it says that the Streamer LX 6 "wideneck" weighs 5 pounds more than the normal Streamer LX 6! I don't think so! I wonder what that's all about.
     
  5. AndyMan

    AndyMan Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 17, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio
    http://myplaceproductionsllc.com/
    Thanks for the info. Maybe others who have owned these can give a definitive answer--this is kinda eating at me...LOL!

    Thanks,
    Andy
     
  6. dreadhead

    dreadhead

    Feb 1, 2002
    Europe
    Hei, I think I can help you.
    The older Warwick SSII used to have a 7pieces Afzelia/Wengé neck, with Wengé fingerboard.
    Well, now Wengé is hard to get (and it's expensive), so Warwick folks traded it with Ovangkol, cheaper but not ugly. This wood is obviously lighter, but it's not as stiff as Wengé.
    The differences are a lot, but I don't wanna bore you with all the details... like glue, wood aging, pickups, electronics, handmade VS. factory made etc. All these changes were applied on 1991 basses and newer. But the SSII is the best Warwick (in the actual line).
     
  7. Answer: Yes, older SSII:s had wenge in their necks, together with some other wood,and I trust dreadhead when he says afzelia. Seems reasonable, I thought that it might have been bubinga since they used that in some of their other basses, starting in the mid nineties. But, if he says afzelia, I won't argue.

    What puzzles me is that you ask a question, when you already know the answer, from having owned an older SSII... ;)

    Can't say anything about the elecronics in the Stage II BTW. The one I've tried most extensively was probably a 9 volt system, since that one was an early nineties one. They've probably changed the electronics a few times since.

    And I must (well...) also say that I prefer Stage I Streamers over Stage II:s. The SSII:s sound a bit too nasal and sterile in my ears, SSI:s sound fuller, if not as well defined and maybe not as Warwicky as the SSII:s. But I like that, and remember that I'm a bit biased from having owned a SSI close to ten years (yikes!)...
     
  8. jasonbraatz

    jasonbraatz

    Oct 18, 2000
    Oakland, CA
    doesn't look like i'm needed here ;)


    but just for comparison - my 98 SS2 has 18V electronics and a 7 piece wenge/afzelia neck.


    the reason they switched to ovangkol is that there is NO new wenge coming out of africa due to the war in the congo. they're the only big scale production outfit that uses that much wenge, so they just COULDN'T make them anymore with wenge. if they did, the prices would be fodera-esque.

    there are other cost cutting measures though - the plastic nut and gradually decreasing electonic quality for example.


    any other questions? ;)
     
  9. dreadhead

    dreadhead

    Feb 1, 2002
    Europe
    You own a '98 Stage II... so your is already a factory made one... I've played and owned all pre-91 Warwicks, and I must admit that the quality was just DIFFERENT. But I must admit that the Stage II is the bass that defends its quality in the Warwick line. The only one that does it.
     
  10. ehm...dreadhead..your dreads are clouding your sight..

    the bass that also defends the Warwick Famaly is the F.N.A. Jazz !!!!
     
  11. dreadhead

    dreadhead

    Feb 1, 2002
    Europe
    The Corvette FNA is a newer model, and it's bolt-on.
    It never has been the top of the line, and in 1991 it wasn't still available, if I remember well...
     
  12. FunkySpoo

    FunkySpoo Supporting Member

    Feb 6, 2002
    What about the semi hollow with the f holes? I forget what it's called. Is it any good?. I.E. top of the line sort of stuff?
     
  13. dreadhead

    dreadhead

    Feb 1, 2002
    Europe
    Well, the Infinity is a OLD bass project by Stefan Manz. He designed it a lot of time ago, and when Hans Peters needed a new bass, he modified the project a little and... voila! The Corvette!
    Then they created the Corvette Thinline, and in the 2000, ripping off the collectors and the bass players, they squeezed the Infinity LTD.
    I've owned one of the first made (made for the NAMM, if I remember well) and they were hand made. It's not garbage, but it's not worth the price. Mine featured MusicMan like pickups with external poles.
     
  14. FunkySpoo

    FunkySpoo Supporting Member

    Feb 6, 2002
    Not a ringing endorsement for a 3 or 4k bass. Thanks for the reply
     
  15. dreadhead

    dreadhead

    Feb 1, 2002
    Europe
    I hope this helps. If you accept a council, get an Eighties Thumb bass or Stage II. They are really great basses, well-built and 100 times better than the newer ones.
     
  16. Saibuster

    Saibuster

    Jan 26, 2002
    UK
    I got a new ss2 (just got it). the neck is constructed from afzeila, ovenkogle and some other wood i cant recognize. I never heared the old version of the ss2, but i can tell you this : my ss2 sounds like nothing i've even heared, its amazing, cuts like crazy and really easy and fast to play.

    The only problem i've got with it is the noisy electronics. probably going to replace them with barts.
     
  17. AndyMan

    AndyMan Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 17, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio
    http://myplaceproductionsllc.com/
    Hey, Salibuster--

    I'd try Bassines v/ Barts for the upgrade. If you go to to 311 website, you can listen to a few cuts with P Nut playing his SSII 5 w/ Basslines--sounds awesome.

    Hey Warwick5S, what's in your SSI 5???

    Andy
     
  18. Just out of curiosity, when did Warwick start making SSI and II basses? I know that the first Streamers were only called just that, and were made out of cherry, with wenge necks. I think I've seen one of those made in '89, so I suspect that the maple SSI and afzelia SSII saw the light of day around '89-90, but I could be wrong. Am I?
     
  19. jasonbraatz

    jasonbraatz

    Oct 18, 2000
    Oakland, CA

    it's stock right now. and sounds damn good - only problem is the noise and unreliability of the MEC preamp. so i'm either going to get a bart preamp or a u-retro deluxe. and i WAS going to keep the stock MEC's until i noticed that stefan lessard has basslines in his warwicks too. that's the sound that got me into warwicks - and i always thought those were stock pickups. so who knows....


    i'll swap the pre first and see what happens. i think the pre is worse than the pickups, IMO.
     
  20. Saibuster

    Saibuster

    Jan 26, 2002
    UK
    I sent warwick an email about this annoying problem. they said that i can change some parts on the preamp that would make it less noisy but need 10 times more battery power. i really love the sound that im getting from the bass i just dont want that hiss, so i will first try to change those parts befor changing the preamp.

    even tho' i think that P nut is getting some serious growl out of his basslines. I will probably try his setup of preamp/pickups if that trick doesnt work.

    btw: do you know what dirk lance(alex katunich) is using on his ss2? i also really like his tone but i think that his fingers are responsable for his tone more then anything else.